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"content": " Hon. Oundo is very right to make the presentation he made."
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"content": " Allow me to continue."
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"content": " Hon. Oundo, continue. Your time was frozen. You have two minutes."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, we need to be very clear at the opportune time. I also think the Chair will need to clarify. I need Kenyans to be very clear and listen clearly. Let us look at Clause 26 of the Bill that is published here, on the incentives or the waiver of income tax on gratuity and pension payments. In deleting paragraph (a) and substituting the following new paragraph: First, payment of gratuity. That means gratuity both in the public sector and in the private sector. Hon. Temporary Speaker, my time has been interfered with; you will have to add me. Secondly, other allowances paid under public pension scheme, the constructive word here is public pension scheme and I hope the Hon. Chairman is listening. He needs to clarify because he referred to all pension schemes, but the constructive words used in this Bill are public pension schemes. We need to be very clear, so that we avoid that misconception out there. My time has been stolen, but I hope it would be added so I can have a second to complete. The Bill, under Clause 36, proposes to exempt very critical ingredients, raw materials in the manufacturing sector."
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"content": " Add him a minute to conclude that point."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, that includes raw materials in Kenya for manufacturing medicaments, as approved from time to time by the Cabinet Secretary. I just hope and pray that the Committee of the whole House will carry the amendments that they propose, so that we remove exempt and take them back to zero rating. I attended a meeting with the Kenya Private Sector Alliance and the Kenya Association of Manufacturers. One of their greatest challenges was an unpredictable and ever-changing tax environment. I hope we now have an element of consistency, so that Kenyans can be sure that if I invest today, this is what I expect going forward. Since time is up, I cannot respond to the Hon. Leader of the Majority Party. Probably when I have more time, I will explain to him what I meant. But luckily enough, there has not been much objection to the current Finance Bill."
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"content": " Hon. Makali Mulu. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Kitui Central, WDM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I would have liked to say very good things about the Bill under the title of preliminaries. But with the time you have given me now, you will excuse me. I salute the Majority Bench, led by Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah, Hon. Baya and Hon. Waqo. Hon. Temporary Speaker, when I look at you, I see leadership. Look at what is happening on our side. We have empty seats. I do not think this is what we want to do. We have said we have no minority leadership and you keep on telling us we have a minority leadership. Such an important Bill is not being debated by this side, led by the leadership, it is a shame to this House. You had 15 minutes to debate, Hon. Kimani. Our leader would have taken 15 minutes. I have five minutes, but I will do justice to this Bill. The issue of tax zero rating versus tax exemption is a very critical issue. Even though the Chairman of the Committee has tried to get some things back to zero rating, in his own words, he did say we have fictitious claims. My own research has shown tax refunds are about Ksh400 billion. Out of that, almost 50 per cent are fictitious claims. How I wish we could come up with a methodology to ensure we do not provide these manufacturers an opportunity to hire smart accountants to make more money other than doing the actual job. Secondly, I appreciate the issue of personal data and trade secrets. The Committee has done justice to ensure that does not appear in our laws. It is already adequately covered by the Constitution. The other issue is that of aircraft taxation. If I remember well, this is the third time that The National Treasury has proposed that we impose some tax on aircraft spare parts. The argument has always been that if we do that, it will increase operational expenses and result in higher ticket prices. How come, every year, we get this proposal in the Finance Bill? Could it be that some people are enjoying a monopoly and as a result, The National Treasury wants to sort out that issue, yet we keep on blocking them? How I wish the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning would take time and sit with The National Treasury and find out why, year in year out, we get this proposal coming into the Finance Bill. It is unfortunate that someone with a PhD in Economics is given three minutes while a Certified Public Accountant of Kenya (CPA- K) is given 10 to 15 minutes. But let us continue."
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"content": "Hon. Temporary Speaker, these are my three recommendations. First, if we want to be right on this journey, we must broaden the tax base. We must think about how to achieve that. Secondly, we must seal any tax leakages in terms of collection. Thirdly, we must have a predictable tax regime in this country; if I am investing in Kenya, I can know how the tax regime will look like over the next 10 years. I have read the report and I have seen a very good proposal from the think tanks that we need to review our Pay As You Earn (PAYE) rate bands. That is good for the country, and we need to take it seriously as a House and encourage our people. As I conclude, the Chairman of Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning must take note that Hon. Mbadi read a Budget with a deficit of Ksh923 billion. As the Budget and Appropriations Committee, we approved a Budget deficit of Ksh876 billion. We must be told where the difference of Ksh47 billion will come from. I hope it will not be from additional taxation. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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