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"speaker_name": "Marakwet East, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Kangogo Bowen",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, the Office of the Auditor-General plays a very important role in auditing Ministries and Government institutions. I want to point out an important issue to the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Reports of the Auditor-General must form part of the budget- making process. Every day, the Leader of the Majority Party lays papers on reports of the Auditor-General. Can the Chairman of the Committee tell us the role of the reports by the Auditor-General and how they have been factored in this Budget?"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " Hon. Oundo. It is a fair question. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, I sit in the Public Accounts Committee but since the question is directed to the Chairman and he has not paid me to answer on his behalf, I will let him ang’ang’ane na hali yake. I just want to make a plea to the Office of the Auditor-General. It is agreed and documented that this country loses a lot of money through pilferage, corruption and unaccountable loss of money. Now that we continuously enhance their budget and amendments were made to the Act to make it more like a corporate body, let them net all the thieves where there is pilferage and loss and forward the cases to the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) so that we stop losing money."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " But Hon. Oundo, you said you sit in the Public Accounts Committee. The Auditor-General has given you several reports. How many have you sent to EACC as a Committee?"
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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
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"content": " The procedure is simple. We table reports and once the House approves, the Public Accounts Committee becomes functus officio and the matters move to the Committee on Implementation. Again, some of the reports by the Auditor-General that come to us do not pick out misdemeanours and the loss and so, we require further forensic audit. We plead with them to rise to the occasion and undertake their mandate as provided for by the Constitution and the Public Audit Act. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
"speaker_title": "The Temporary Chairman",
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"content": " Chairman, respond to this question."
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"speaker_name": "Alego Usonga, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Samuel Atandi",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, the Auditor- General works for this House. When they appeared before us, they also complained that this House amends their audit reports. They indicated that, sometimes, they bring stinging reports, but we end up amending them. In my opinion, the blame game is on both sides. In terms of their budget, we have finally given them the one-line budget which they have been asking for. As you can see in the Estimates, there is only one vote. I would like to urge this House to take their audit reports very seriously because the Auditor-General has some reports that touch on the House itself. We asked the Auditor-General to come and audit the House because even Parliament needs to be audited. The Auditor-General is very independent. Personally, from the presentation she has made to us as Budget and Appropriations Committee, I trust her reports. She is doing a very good job. I would like to ask the Public Accounts Committee to stop interfering with the audit reports they get from the Auditor-General. You cannot ask the Auditor-General to prosecute culprits. That is the work of the Ethics and Anti- Corruption Commission (EACC). Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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"content": " Chairman, before you go, the question that was asked was on the role of those audit reports in the budget-making process. Let me paraphrase it: To what extent do you take into account the recommendations of the Auditor-General?"
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"speaker_name": "Alego Usonga, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Samuel Atandi",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, we take the reports very seriously. For example, the Auditor-General has given us reports on revenue projections that we normally use to project our revenue here. They have also audited budget performance. We take those reports into account because they are very important."
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"content": "(Hon. Makali Mulu spoke off the record)"
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