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"content": "You may proceed, Hon. Sunkuli."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Chairperson has said in his response that police officers can use commensurate force. How did it become necessary to use guns? Did these people have guns? How did they become targets of bullets, yet they were either armed in a lesser manner or at least they were not armed with guns? That is not commensurate force. The Chairperson must go back and ask the Cabinet Secretary to explain that. The second thing the Chairperson should tell us is who gave instructions for people to be shot dead. Somebody must have done so. If nobody did so, is the Chairman telling us today that we will never know who shot these people? Our concern is that we want to know who shot these people. If we know that, then criminal action should be taken to apprehend them. If the police officers have been transferred, can we be told where they have gone so that we can tell the people of those areas to be alert that they are killers? Hon. Temporary Speaker, with your permission, I would like to invite the Chairman to look you in the eye and confirm that Mr Jubat, the Deputy County Commissioner of Trans Mara South, has left that station. If it is true that he was transferred, can you stand and proclaim the name of the DCC who was brought to take over from him? He says it is only the handing over that is awaiting. Who is he supposed to hand over to? What is the name? Can he confirm that the DCC was chairing a Lands Control Board meeting just the other day? Hon. Chairman, this raises a serious issue because we know your integrity, but you have been made to read a statement that is not true. Those officers are well seated there, and we do not understand why. We do not hate them. I have nothing against them, but how can a whole Government stand up and say that the DCC has been transferred knowing very well that he has not been transferred? Just tell us he has not been transferred, and we will live our lives as usual. Lastly, I know that IPOA has been told to go there. Does the Chairman know?"
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"content": " Yes."
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"content": " On a point of order."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Yes, Hon. Bowen."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. If it is true…"
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): What exactly is out of order?"
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"content": " The statement by the Chairman. If it is true that the Chairman read that the DCC was transferred and these two Members are confirming that the DCC is still there, it is good that Hon. Temporary Speaker rules that the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Chairman is out of order and orders the Cabinet Secretary to appear here. As I heard from him, that statement was written and signed by the Cabinet Secretary. We can now confirm the true position, otherwise, the two Members are just speaking to each other, and we are not going anywhere."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Keep in mind that the Member had not completed his questions. His questions are very clear. Hon. Kangogo, you are rising on Standing Order 91 on responsibility for a statement of fact. From where I sit, I do not know who will take responsibility for the statement of fact bearing in mind that the Chairman is reading a statement from the Cabinet Secretary. I am going to, however, take into consideration what you have said. I believe the Chairman will also respond to that. Please conclude so that we give a chance to Hon. Johana Ng’eno."
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