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"speaker_name": "Buuri, UDA",
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"content": "to be achieved. It needs to establish standards, including scope and coverage, the institutional framework, the method of financing, and the relationship between the county government and the national Government. It should also set out how monitoring, upon implementation, will be carried out and evaluated. The Chairman of the Committee has given us a generalised view of what the policy is, which lacks some information which is very key. This sector is not a preserve of the national Government. There is a need for inter-agency relationships. We need to conduct detailed public participation to gather views on what Kenyans would like to see in the policy. It is true that Sessional Paper No.7 of 2022 provided general guidelines. It is upon us to move to the second step and actualise it. I believe that is what the Committee is trying to do. However, we are not operating at the international level of what can be defined as best practice in sanitation. It is high time that more time was spent to come up with a clear policy which is acceptable. There are variations in the areas of implementation. We have cities, municipalities and market centres with very high populations. All these places require different levels of sanitation facilities. We need adequate financing embedded in the policy. It should entail the money to be spent on sanitation facilities so that it is not utilised for other purposes. After 60 years of Independence, Kenyans need to enjoy the best clean water. A majority of rivers in Nairobi are polluted. This is against the international standards for human existence. The national Government has been blamed for this matter, yet it is a preserve of the county government. Water is a devolved function. This policy must take cognisance of the fact that county governments have…"
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): I would like to give senior a minute to conclude. Would you like to conclude in a minute?"
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is a very serious policy. It is not just a simple policy that we should pass simply because we need to pass it. After 60 years of Independence, we lack a policy to guide us into the future. I appeal to this House, as my senior colleague, Hon. Sunkuli, has said that we need to put more meat into the policy. This is a small part of what the policy should be. I ask this House to go back and start from small market centres, working our way up. Population is increasing in towns. There is a lot of movement to towns, which increases scarcity of water."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Thank you very much. I will give a chance to Hon. Adan Haji, the Member for Mandera West."
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"speaker_name": "Mandera West, UDM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Yusuf Adan",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I was eagerly waiting for Order No.15 so that I could move the Bill. However, let me say two things about the policy. It is important that we have a policy on the environment because it is where we live. The environment affects everybody on earth in one way or another. Maintaining a clean environment and properly disposing of sewage will significantly improve the lives of people. People will be healthier. By polluting our environment, our lives are compromised, and lifespans are shortened. It is very important to have a national policy at different levels. Urban centres, municipalities and villages need to have proper systems for managing environmental pollution. The policy must be very explicit. What we have now is a skeleton. It must outline the steps expected to be taken, from the village level to the cities. Once the policy is put into law, we do not need to come up with annual amendments to the Act because a certain matter has not been taken care of. With the few remarks, I support. But we need to do a lot of work. I am eagerly waiting for Order No.15."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Hon. Oscar Nabulindo, the Member for Matungu."
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"speaker_name": "Matungu, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Peter Nabulindo",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me a chance to express myself on this Motion before the House. From the onset, I The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "support it. The National Sanitation Management Policy is long overdue and should have been enacted in this country almost 30 years ago. It is a shame that 50-plus years after Independence, we still have polluted rivers and lakes as a country, and we lack an elaborate system to manage our waste disposal. First, I would like to thank the Chair who moved this Motion today so that we have the National Sanitation Management Policy in place. Unfortunately, as I listened to the Mover, I did not get the real facts on how we will have a Sanitation Management Policy in rural areas. I represent a rural constituency. The policy has majorly concentrated on how to manage sanitation in urban areas, whereas the majority of Kenyans live in rural areas. Rural areas is where many families call home and they do not have anywhere else to go. As we speak, many families do not have access to water, a compost pit, or a toilet. Therefore, there is need for the National Sanitation Management Policy to take into consideration how we will handle sanitation issues in the rural areas where the majority of voters in this country live. We still have many people who lack access to toilets in rural areas. As one Member said, they make use of bush toilets. Unfortunately, nowadays, we do not have many bushes because of the increase in population and the construction of houses everywhere. They have now resorted to using flying toilets. Flying toilets are no longer just a preserve of the urban slums. They are also being used in the rural areas. There is gross mismanagement of sanitation in water bodies, such as rivers and lakes in rural areas. People bathe in rivers. One person could be bathing upstream while others draw water and wash their utensils and clothes downstream in the same river. This negatively impacts the sanitation of these water bodies because people use the same water for drinking and cooking. Therefore, there is a need for us to consider rural areas when making policies so that we do not look like..."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Thank you. Hon. Prof Phylis Bartoo, the Member for Moiben."
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"speaker_name": "Moiben, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Phylis Bartoo",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the Motion on the adoption of the Report of the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation on the National Sanitation Management Policy. As my colleagues have said, I agree that the policy needs to go deeper to address other issues. This is a very important Motion because of what is happening in Kenya at the moment. Water management has been skewed towards water alone to the extent that water sanitation has been relegated. As we speak, water sanitation focuses only on the haves. It is the rich who can afford it. If you want to use a washroom in an urban area in Kenya, you will have to visit a luxurious hotel to find such a facility. However, for an ordinary Kenyan, he must part with some money to get such services. This is a nationwide problem. A case in point is my county, Uasin Gishu. You can imagine it is the county that houses Eldoret City, yet it does not have an effective sewer line. If a city like Nairobi, Kisumu, Nakuru, or Mombasa lacks an effective sewer line, how are small urban areas and rural areas fairing? This is a very tricky situation. Therefore, the policy should address the sewer issue and be cascaded from urban areas to rural areas throughout the entire country so that everyone benefits. Although the country has tried to actualise Article 43 of the Constitution on Economic and social rights in water sanitation, water is still a major problem in urban and rural areas. Water and cleanliness go hand in hand. You need water for a clean environment. We have concentrated on planting trees to green Kenya at the expense of waste management. People have come up with businesses of managing waste. For example, in our estates, we have companies that have taken up waste management, but they are very exploitative. They charge exorbitantly for waste collection and management. I hope that the National Sanitation Management Policy will address all issues, including the billing of waste management services. We should not have a policy that will end up exploiting the Kenyan nation. The business people in waste management should not overcharge. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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