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"content": " I gave a ruling and guidance. You know you cannot do elections in the Senate. We do not do that here. Please, avoid mentioning names of state officers. I have warned and cautioned you. That is the first caution under Standing Order No.121. You also know the consequences."
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"content": "Very well, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am saying that all of us must agree that if decisions are made democratically at an election, can we guarantee that all of us get to that election? You cannot tell me to wait for you at the ballot and you make sure I do not get there. Is Albert Ojwang’ supposed to vote from the grave? There is no such a polling station. When you talk about a state officer standing up and saying that you can shoot people as if people do not die from gunshot wounds--- We saw Rex Masai, the young man killed during protests was shot on the leg. How can you tell the police to shoot people on the legs as if those injuries are sustainable? We want to make it clear that as a country, we have totally lost our way. We will not have a conversation with someone telling us to wait for 2027 when he is not giving us a chance to get to 2027. He has become an existential threat to this country and he must go as soon as possible. I thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Sen. Wakili Hilary."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, protect me from Sen. Cherarkey after he has made reference in the local dialect and requested that I speak to the House with it. Firstly, I laud this gentleman called Laban Omusundi. He has not only been filing public interest petitions in this House on matters like what we are debating today, but also on matters that cover on laws that we legislate in this House. In fact, today, the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights (JLAC) has a report we were meant to table on another Petition he filed regarding the introduction of a framework on the recall of Members of County Assemblies (MCAs). In that Petition, he says that the law does not provide for that. As a patriotic Kenyan, I would like to appreciate him because we have dealt with more than three petitions at the Committee on JLAC by this same gentleman. I needed to appreciate him, so that as he continues to do what most of us cannot do, he should know he is doing that because he is a patriotic Kenyan doing what is expected of us, not only to keep the legislature on toes in terms of enactment of laws but also in public interest The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "petitions. These petitions cover areas where we say that we do not want to continues seeing governors, MPs and MCAs emblazoning their names on public resources utilized to develop certain infrastructure in our places. Secondly, I appreciate the Committee that dealt with this issue especially on the recommendations and timelines they gave requiring the EACC to do certain actions within 30 days. It is public notoriety that almost all elected governors, MPs and MCAs in most projects, including public toilets and soak pit latrines, publish their names saying that those projects were done by so-and-so and at a certain date without necessarily making reference to the fact that those are public resources. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, such publication is abuse of office. It goes beyond unethical conduct. It borders on abuse of office and is sufficient grounds for someone to be brought to book and charged for abuse of office. To have a Kenyan like Laban Omusundi to prick our conscience and ask us to make certain recommendations and to think through the actions we do is something that not majority of us would do. The Committees should invite this House to have a conversation around this and to also invite the EACC to act in order to remind us that these violations of the law and the guidelines we have are not only costly to the public, but they are potentially going to encourage unnecessary competition because in the process of having seen someone politically made famous by the use of public resources, they will want to do it too. My colleagues have made reference here of certain motor vehicles, which are indicated on or have a portrait of the person who is seen as the patron, on the rear window of the car, whether it is a Member of Parliament who has funded or facilitated the acquisition of such a school bus or an institution bus using National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) or public resources. One would be forced to equally do the same. I, therefore, would like to associate myself with the recommendation that, if you really would want to have your name there, then use your own resources and money, in your individual foundations or private life. Use the resources that belong to you and publish your name there. Let public resources be used for public resources. If you were to look at the amount of these portraits of the billboards that are payable for one to display, that amount is sufficient to be utilised to do projects, which would benefit the public. I, therefore, appreciate their work and the recommendation of the Committee. As Sen. Cherarkey has said, we have indeed invited the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission to give us an itemised status of the cases or reports which various committees of this House have made recommendations for their action and in due course, we shall be able to table that particular report. I thank you."
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"content": " Sen. Wambua, please, proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I also stand in support of the Report by the Senate Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations on this Petition by Laban Omusundi. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the issues that we, as a Senate, are called upon to deal with in the counties are major, and this is one of them. All of us are born witness to situations where governors in particular counties want to behave as though their names The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "are synonymous with their counties; that, they want to put up billboards with their names and photos, for every little thing that they do, indicating that they are the people and leaders who were responsible for the projects that they are talking about. However, they do not understand that they are in office for, if they are lucky, five years. If they get luckier, may be ten years. That is it. They can never be in office for more than ten years. Some of us are insulted by images of leaders and governors, that the voters kicked out of office, but their images are still staring at us, and proclaiming ownership of projects in the counties. This Petition by Laban Omusundi and the recommendations by the Senate Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations is one instance where as a Senate, we should actually move with speed, and ensure that those billboards and signages, whatever they are, are brought down. This is because, it is one thing to say that they should not be erected going forward, and a different story to have to endure the images of those governors and their names on those billboards looking down on us every time we use it, whether it is a road or a project that was initiated and completed during their time. So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I fully support the recommendations of the Committee and thank Laban Omusundi for bringing that Petition to the Senate. Secondly, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when I came in, I found my colleagues in serious conflict and war of words over remarks that were being made by the Senator for Nairobi City County. We must agree that this country belongs to all of us, those in authority and those under authority. This country belongs to all of us. There is one thing that is getting rare amongst us, and it gets me worried. The tolerance levels in the country are going very low, which is a matter of concern for me as a leader and citizen of this country. People will hold different views on the same matter. It does not mean that those people must be enemies just on account of different views that they hold. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, authority is given to some offices, including our offices, as Senators. We have the power to summon our governors and state officers and grill them on issues of public concern. The Executive has been given powers by the Constitution to ensure the safety of our property and lives, and make sure that this country runs in a good way. I keep saying that I am probably the least qualified to offer any advice to the national Executive or even the county executives. However, I would like to plead with the National Executive, led by His Excellency the President that, we tone down rhetoric and our speeches, and be careful with the things that we say in public, for good reasons. If our President says certain things in public, chances are that some people will react to those things and answer him. That exchange is not good for us. This country needs healing and tolerance. I know it is a difficult thing to ask for, but I will ask for it, anyway. I wish the President could find it in his heart to withdraw the orders that he gave yesterday about police shooting people in the leg. I just wish he could. Perhaps, he cannot, but I wish he could. That is an avenue for bloodshed in this country. We do not want to go that route. We want to differ politically, and we have said it openly, honestly and candidly, that, for us in the opposition, we are willing to persevere until 2027, to meet the President The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "and his party at the ballot, where the Kenyan people will decide which team to elect into office. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that can only happen if we have a country by 2027. If we do not have a country by 2027, then even the conversation about the elections in 2027 will be a moot conversation. I appeal for tolerance. To whom much is given, more is required. A lot more is given to the Office of the President, therefore, much more is required from that office."
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