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"content": " Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, you are well informed."
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"content": "Very well informed. I never thought that my good colleague, Sen. (Dr.) Murango, would walk out. I was just curious. I have one of the most unique hairstyles. I, therefore, thought he would be looking up, but got astonished that he was looking down there. All said, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, allow me to continue from where I was briefly interrupted. The conversation that I am talking about is one that we, as leaders, need to welcome--- What I am saying is that we should not narrow it to community issues. I represent Nairobi City County where properties and businesses were destroyed. The people who destroyed those businesses and properties should be brought to book. I agree to that 100 per cent. However, the question is: Is that the way to go? Is that the solution? Should we have leaders inciting young people to destroy businesses which should be offering them job opportunities? I have heard leaders say that they know the goons. I will not mention them because you have directed that we should not mention names. There is a saying that a thief knows a thief and a thief is used to catch a thief. They should be on the front line to tell us the people who are bringing the goons. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "If they do not say it, it means they are supporting the hooliganism that we have seen. I saw a video of young goons going to invade an estate. People decided not to go for the demonstrations, but the young people entered their homes. We cannot sit back and say it is okay because it is not okay. The leaders who are saying they know those goons should be on the front line to bring them to book. This is because those people are being used to destroy people's property."
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"content": "Allow me to finish, my home Senator."
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Place the intervention. You do not need to shout point of order. That is why I am here. I am here to see who is raising a point of order."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you directed us that if we want to have this conversation, then there is a way for us to have it."
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"content": "Sen. Tabitha Mutinda wants a continuation of this conversation and you are not stopping her. Can she tell us who these leaders are? Who are these leaders inciting people? Personally, as a leader in this country, in the opposition, I am squarely opposed to any kind of violence, robbery or destruction of property. Any person who does that, the leaders and the people who do it, must face the full force of the law. That is the position we have taken. If, then Sen. Tabitha is so sure about the leaders who are inciting people, why are those leaders not arrested? Why are they roaming freely in the country?"
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"content": " Sen. Wambua, asking her to mention names here is contravening my directives. That is what I said we should not do. That is contravening our Standing Orders. This topic is so weighty. We are talking about our country, Kenya. Let us not look like we are trying to blame this side or the other. I directed very well that I wish you could have raised with the Speaker, a motion to suspend the sitting even to discuss all these issues you are raising. If you do points of order without a good Motion to discuss, we cannot help Kenya in that manner. Sen. Sifuna, what is your point of order?"
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.101(4) on Imputation of Improper Motives. There are aspersions being cast here that anyone who has spoken against Government excesses knows who the goons are. Nominated Sen. Mutinda comes from my county. She is aware that we have seven-year-olds and 12-year-olds in Mathare who were shot on the balconies of their houses. Were those people breaking into homes? When you give a direct order to people who cannot even aim guns properly, they are shooting people inside their houses. How will they see their legs in their houses? We have people in Nairobi who have died in their houses."
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