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"content": " Next is Sen. Thang’wa Paul Karungo."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity. However, before I give my contribution, I do not know which Standing Order prohibits this Senate The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "from mentioning the public officers' names. The only thing it prohibits is discussing their character. We know the President is William Ruto. We know the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration is Kipchumba Murkomen. We know them by name. So, by prohibiting us from just mentioning their names, yet their public officers, is wrong, unless the Senate is not aware who the President is."
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"content": " You want to challenge my guidance? It has been said many times. This is not the first time."
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"content": "I am not challenging, unless the Senate probably does not want us to mention the names of those people who work for Kenyans. Nevertheless, let me give my contribution. The issue of public and state officers branding public projects with their names and portraits is equally corrupt. This is because you are using public projects to promote yourself. I can give an example. In Zaire, there was a President by the name Mobutu Sese Seko. Mobutu Sese Seko changed everything to his name, from the airport, to the roads, to the schools. Actually, in that country, they were calling it Mobutuism because he used to name everything in his name. However, when he was overthrown in 1997, all those names were removed within a day and he was forgotten within a day. In Rwanda here, President Kagame, has refused to brand anything with any official's name. Even his portrait is not hung in schools or anywhere in businesses. Those are two Presidents we can see who are pulling from different sides. I remember very well, I requested for a statement that has never been responded to here. I requested to know how many schools or how many amenities or how many roads are named after the former Presidents of this country. I asked how many schools are named after Moi, Kibaki, Uhuru Kenyatta, Jomo Kenyatta, or even William Ruto himself. I have not received that, but this is the right time to discuss even that as we discuss this issue of branding. When we brand, it is self-promotion. You are promoting yourself using the taxpayer's money. I can give you a very good example. In Embu, a county that is in Mount Kenya, their only stadium is called Moi Stadium. Moi is not playing there. Why do we have a stadium in Embu that is called that President, that time? I believe it is a time, as we discuss this issue, we give people and their counties an opportunity to name those amenities, utilities and those projects the names that they would want. If you come to Kiambu County, we do not entertain that. We have Kirigiti Stadium, Thika Stadium, Ndumberi Stadium, the Githunguri Stadium, but not to name it after people and probably those people never did justice to the people. If it was a good person, if it was a martyr, if it was somebody who fought for freedom but not a President who for so many times probably really was not a good President, Governor, MP, MCA, Senator, or even Women Representative. If you look at the Constitution, which has been quoted by the Petitioner, Mr. Laban Omusundi, his argument is from Article 231 of the Constitution. It says- “(4) Notes and coins issued by the Central Bank of Kenya may bear images that depict or symbolise Kenya or an aspect of Kenya, but shall not bear the portrait of any individual.” The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the 2010 Constitution prohibited any President from putting their image on the money and that is why the last President on the money was President Moi. The other Presidents; Uhuru, Kibaki and Ruto, are not on our notes because the law had seen the self-promotion and symbolizing oneself, so that when you see some money, you will not think that it is the president giving you that money you have worked hard for. As the Constitution says, there are county governments notorious for branding with their portraits and their names. I have seen an ambulance with a photo or a portrait of a governor. You can imagine if there was a governor who has said shoot to kill and you are shot and then you enter an ambulance and you see his portrait as you are being taken to the hospital. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, or probably you have had an accident because the governor did not fix that road or because traffic marshals are not doing their work. When you are being taken to hospital as if an accident was not enough to torment you, inside the ambulance, you are seeing the governor. We should utilize Section Four of the County Governments Act that says every county should have a symbol. What is a symbol? There is a symbol, an emblem and a flag. The spirit of that section was so that every county should have an identity. If you walk in our corridors here, you will see every flag for every county. I wish every county could use their symbols on every government project or every ambulance. I thank my Governor, Kimani Wamatangi, because for the first time, Kiambu County can see the colours and the emblems that are there. The only problem is he is putting his image in those too. If he removes the image, we will praise him for doing what is supposed to be done. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we were told that there was a county, which I will not mention, which was branding school milk. When I was growing up, even today, I can still remember maziwa ya Nyayo because he was not giving us milk, but he was giving us his name. That is why it is still in my mind. I cannot remember the milk, but I can remember"
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"content": ". That is radicalization. You know we have forgotten all these issues and we were okay because it was then, but when we see what is happening today and hear leaders say; the current regime is reminding us the era of Nyayo, then you can imagine the nightmares people who took"
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"content": "are going through. I am trying to say that today, we might think we are doing right by branding names on roads, stadiums, vehicles and on ambulances. However, in future when that little child who is in school, especially the ones in Early Childhood Development Education (ECDE) is wearing a t-shirt with a sweater with the image of a governor, they will be tormented in future after understanding that they never made it because the governor did not do what they were supposed to do. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we are also trying to cure child trauma today because we know in future, those are the things that people are going to be remembering. The EACC should act on this issue because branding and putting their images is breaking the Leadership and Integrity Act, Section 13 and 20. This means that EACC is not doing its work. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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