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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Maybe the Assistant Minister is talking out of misinformation. Would I be in order to request that since the letters have been tabled here by the Questioner, the Assistant Minister acquaints himself with the documents which show that the procedure for appeal was followed and then he responds with information?"
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for the Assistant Minister to mislead this House about the procedure of appealing in the police force when he knows, or ought to know that there are standing orders in the police force, and that such appeals must be filed to the Commissioner, but they go through the OCS, the OCPD and the PPO?"
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is exactly what I have been saying. The appeal has to pass through the presiding officer. In this case, the presiding officer means your immediate boss."
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"content": "Order, Mr. Assistant Minister! There is an appeal or a request, for that matter, for reinstatement by PC.Gerald Mbinda, which has been tabled here. This has gone up to the Commissioner of Police through the OCS, OCPD, and PPO. So, indeed, there is a letter which is dated 16th February, 2010. The letter, which is almost two years old, is with us here. Do you wish to acquaint yourself with the contents of the letter?"
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"content": "No, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I know what you are talking about. When you lose a job and you appeal to the Commissioner of Police, you do not take that letter of appeal to the Commissioner of Police. You go through your presiding officer, who is your immediate boss, who will recommend or sign the letter. The same letter will go somewhere else. If you look at that appeal there is nothing recommended on it, or signed indicating that it was passed to the next person."
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"content": "Order, Mr. Assistant Minister! You are clearly out of order in this matter. When the officer appeals, the appeal ceases to be his property from then on. He does not have to carry it himself from one officer to another for recommendations. The only thing that can be in possession of the officer is a copy of the appeal that he sent for reinstatement. If you expected him to have an appeal which shows recommendations by other officers, that is not possible. The officer is not an insider in the organization to do it."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there are people who have not known how these procedures are followed. Once you write a letter to the Commissioner of Police through your presiding officer, it does not mean that it is you who goes physically to hand over to the OCS, the OCPD and the PPO. Once you write to the Commissioner through your presiding officer, then there will be an automatic procedure which goes all the way to the Commissioner of Police, who then refers the appeal to a committee on discipline. When we asked Police Constable Kioko to appeal, he did so, but gave the Questioner to bring the appeal letter to the Commissioner of Police. In order for us to fast track this appeal to be heard, let Kioko follow the right channel. We will assist him; we will hear what he is appealing for."
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"content": "On a point of order Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This officer followed the procedure. I am familiar with this procedure from my past experience. I could be more familiar to this than the Assistant Minister, having worked in the Provincial Administration. So, I am convinced that this officer followed the right procedure. It is only the Assistant Minister who, for some strange reasons, is denying the officer a chance to serve this country. Is he in order to continue misleading this House that this officer did not appeal?"
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the hon. Member was a Provincial Commissioner and I agree that he knows the procedures. However, did the procedure during his tenure entail looking for the area MP to hand in an appeal? In this particular case, Police Constable Kioko gave his appeal to hon. Kiilu. I am requesting hon. Kiilu to ask Kioko to take the appeal to his presiding officer, so that we can consider it."
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"content": "Hon. Assistant Minister, when did hon. Peter Kiilu take this appeal letter to the Commissioner of Police?"
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