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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, recently, we formulated the National Revenue Allocation Committee which is expected to start on a firm and strong foundation in the area of distributing resources in this country. If, indeed, we do not have proper data on the way we are going to share resources in this country---"
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is an important Motion. It pertains to the Ministry of State for Planning, National Development and Vision 2030. It has issues of planning for this country. It is okay because of collective responsibility, but the Minister here is from a totally different Ministry. We need your guidance. Would it be in order to have the relevant Minister to be here to listen to this? The issues that the Members are deliberating on are to do with the planning of this country and of important statistics. So, we need your direction."
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to inform my colleague that I am a scientist and I went through issues of statistics when I was doing genetics. I have also been making notes on behalf of the Government. So, there is no need to worry about the Government not being represented. I am here and I am able."
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Much as I really appreciate, recognize and respect the competence of the Minister whose education cannot be challenged, I think the matter we are dealing with is very weighty. We would not be discussing this matter if the Government got it right the first time. I would request that, probably, we defer the debate on this matter so that the substantive Minister can take this issue very seriously. Otherwise, the issues we are raising--- Some of us are very bitter that the Government cannot come up with correct statistics. You have just heard a hon. Member even challenging the census results. We need to remove all these suspicions from our minds by having the Minister here to explain to the country. That is because we also do not want anarchy or chaos in this country. We do not want this country to be stopped from progressing because people have no faith and confidence in the statistics. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would request that we defer debate on this Motion."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we really do not want to challenge the quality of the Minister here but I think the substance matter of this Motion is what is more critical. We want to commit the Government to allocate resources. I do not know whether the Minister who is here has already talked with the substantive Minister on this matter so that by the time he is responding, he is responding on his behalf but not on general matters of whether he agrees with the Motion or not."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, looking at the importance of the Motion in this House and the Members present in this Chamber, there is no quorum in this House as I can see."
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"content": "Fair enough! Hon. Prof. Kaloki, I want to salute your intuitiveness and how you thought very fast. In any case, the Chair has absolutely no powers in any way to determine the competence of a Minister here. Once a Minister says that he is competent, that is it. However, now that you have risen on a point of order to raise the issue of quorum, Clerks-at-the-Table, could you check whether there is quorum?"
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"content": "There is no quorum. Could you ring the Division Bell?"
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