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"content": " What is your point of order, Sen. Olekina?"
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is a point of clarification because l heard my colleague saying that a Senator had refused to remit the deductions. Can he clarify that?"
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I said a university where our Senator taught. That is Moi University. You are an Alumni of Moi University. From wherever they are listening, it is an anathema. It is a violation of values and principles of public service to do this to ordinary Kenyans. Who will save Kenyans from Kenyans themselves? Who will speak for ordinary Kenyans?"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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"content": "The days of Rural-urban Credit Bank when the Government used to prey on SACCOs and banks which were managed by people are long gone. SACCOs is one alternative method of members saving their money and operating in a quiet manner away from the merchants called banks. When you start selling property worth Kshs650 million for Kshs250 million, what will happen is that they will pursue the members directly for the balance. It is a tragedy."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this chance to speak to this matter of great concern. Members of MUSCO are becoming helpless in their own country. It is quite unfortunate that these members have gone to the Cabinet Secretary, to courts and they have even looked for a liquidator. However, all of them have never assisted them. It is even quite unfortunate that the liquidator himself or the institution is actually deregistering the SACCO and wanting to sell the structure that has been put up by these SACCOs. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is outright corruption. This rampant corruption must stop as a matter of urgency. I agree with this liquidator to tell us why he did not follow the right procedure. This is not the only SACCO. In fact, one of largest SACCOs in my county collapsed with millions of shillings belonging to its members. This particular amount of money was supposed to be used to pay school fees, medical bills, food and basic use in the family. Right now, these people are at the mercy of courts. In this case, it seems they are being taken round in circles. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank Sen. (Prof.) Kamar for bringing such a very important Petition. I would like to request that the Committee that will consider it takes it as a matter of urgency because these members are suffering."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Lusaka",
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"content": " We do not have a lot of time. I am only giving one opportunity to Sen. Omogeni. Our time for Petitions is over."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. This is one of those issues that should evoke some urgency from this House. It is a tragedy to hear of a situation where savings from poor 3,000 hard working Kenyans stands at a risk of having a property valued at Kshs650 million being auctioned at a meager Kshs250 million. If there is a matter that should receive urgency and attention from this House, then it is this one. You can imagine even if it is from us Senators, we save our money in a SACCO, we buy a property, then we wake up one day and find somebody auctioning it at Kshs250 million and it is valued at Kshs650 million. Mr. Speaker, Sir, for some of us who practice in courts of law, there are some matters that are handled with a certificate of urgency. Though we do not have such a term in our Standing Orders, I think this is a matter that should be disposed of with some urgency so that the people who have brought this Petition to this House can have some hope in it. I do not want to belabour the issues that have been put forth by my colleagues, but I am urging the Committee that will be privileged to look into this matter, to give it some"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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"content": "urgency so that we have a report as soon as possible, so that we can forestall the loss that these 3,000 members are eminently going to face. I support."
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