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"content": "(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): We know that. Your Bill is okay because I have looked at it. I do not think anybody will be victimized."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, because there are enough clauses protecting people’s rights."
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"content": "(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): Absolutely. That is it."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am just trying to settle their fears. Corruption, whether from this side or the other---"
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"content": "(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): You can settle that in the lounge, and not on the Floor of the House. Whatever you say is on record. It cannot be on record that the Senate is processing a Bill that has loopholes, which can be used to victimize people. Our argument as a House is that there is no problem because when those people who are being victimized today ascend to power, will also victimize other people. That cannot be the case. In the lounge, you can deal with those things. Do you get the point?"
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"content": "(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): The Bill is okay because the Speaker has also looked at it. He thinks it is a very good Bill that protects everyone. If anyone has views on how we can further protect people from victimization, they can see you before the Bill is finally enacted. I think that is important for the record. You can move on with your remarks."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I withdraw. All I was trying to bring across is that the corrupt should not have an excuse, whichever side of the House they belong. That is what I was coming to. My apologies, that it never came out the right way. There is a clear procedure in terms of deferred prosecution. There is also a way to track money wherever it is. Some Senators said that there is a lot of wisdom in this Bill."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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"content": "The Bill also gives the right to representation at whatever level. Some Senators were of the view that the process should start from the magistrate’s court. Others were of the view that if it starts from the magistrate’s court, any person can go to a magistrate’s court quickly, get an order and charge people. I think that, that also needs a right legal mind like that of the professor who is sitting as the Deputy Speaker today. We need to review that because some think that it should start at the High Court, while others think that it should start from the magistrate’s court. Those who did not want it to start from the magistrate’s court said that it is very easy to get the accounts closure and all that. Therefore, when we put the threshold higher, then they are likely to demand for more evidence before they allow a search, seizure of account, or any other thing. Our legal minds can help us in that. Some were of the view that we should create specialized courts to hear these cases because they are unique in their nature. There were so many contributions to this Bill. That is why you are seeing me looking for more information."
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