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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Chairman. What this Bill is going to do is to kill guarantors. You remember that there is no money circulating because the SMEs are not borrowing anymore. If you line up the borrower with the guarantor at the same time, nobody will guarantee anything. That is why the economy is going down. I oppose this. I am so sorry that the President could knock down such an amendment. This was going to help us in the long run."
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"content": "Hon. Members, I am now putting the Question. I have to enlighten Kenyans, and not you. I know Members are well enlightened on this matter. Even if there will be a voice call and you make a decision that it is a Nay, the Ayes will still have it. Let me restate that one. Whatever the circumstances, the Ayes will have it because we need to raise two thirds if we have to overturn a Presidential Memorandum. You remember, Hon. Members, one Chair who sat here sometimes ago made such a decision and Kenyans felt that it was the wrong decision. But it was, indeed, right. When you are dealing with a matter that requires two thirds, the only option that a Chair has is to call Ayes so that the membership can stand on their feet - 30 of them - to confirm whether they have the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "required numbers. If there will be no numbers, it will fall on its face. We will not need to proceed. I am not saying this for the Members; I know that they are aware. I am trying to remove and disabuse the members of the public from criticising Parliament, when we make decisions from this Chair on that basis. The reason why we do that is because we need to confirm the numbers. Looking at the membership in the House, the Members may not be two thirds, but I am not simply going to make that decision myself. It is for the Members to stand and be counted. That is the position."
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"content": "Hon. Members, you are now 25. In fact, five less than the required number to even ask…"
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"content": "Take your seats, Hon. Members. You do not have numbers and, therefore, the Presidential Memorandum is passed."
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