{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137039","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137037","results":[{"id":1386791,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1386791/?format=json","text_counter":668,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1386792,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1386792/?format=json","text_counter":669,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"has been proposed to be part of a Bill. However, you are moving too fast. Even when we want to make any comment following your proposal, it becomes difficult to catch up, particularly, on Clause 42B. I wanted to comment on your proposal just before you put the Question. I was requesting that you move a little bit slowly at the proposal so that you only put the Question if there is no comment from the Members. This is the stage of law-making. In the Second Reading, we are debating but at this point, we are writing the law with a fine toothpick. Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg that you allow me to make some comments on New Clause 42B and in subsequent proposals you can allow Members to contribute."},{"id":1386793,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1386793/?format=json","text_counter":670,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Abdul Haji","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairperson","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Sen. M. Kajwang’. You have been in this House for a long time and you know very well how to catch the Chair’s’ eye. You did it when you wanted to make a point of order and I gave you an opportunity to interject. In the same way, if you wanted to make your contribution to any of the clauses; we have a screen here. You should have pressed your intervention button and we would have seen and given you an opportunity."},{"id":1386794,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1386794/?format=json","text_counter":671,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Sen. Sifuna spoke off record)"},{"id":1386795,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1386795/?format=json","text_counter":672,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Abdul Haji","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairperson","speaker":null,"content":"Pardon me, Sen. Sifuna? Kindly, give him the microphone."},{"id":1386796,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1386796/?format=json","text_counter":673,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13599,"legal_name":"Sifuna Edwin Watenya","slug":"sifuna-edwin-watenya"},"content":"Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, if you can confirm from your dashboard my button has been pressed yet I have not been able to catch your eye. The point that Sen. M. Kajwang’ is making is that if you move as fast as you are between proposing and putting off the Question, then your fingers are not that fast. Trust me. You will not even have the opportunity to look at the screen. Kindly, let us just allow Members to make any contributions they have by pausing. I know it is Ramadhan. I was going to say to take a sip of water but kindly catch your breath."},{"id":1386797,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1386797/?format=json","text_counter":674,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Abdul Haji","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairperson","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Senator. Sen. M. Kajwang’, proceed."},{"id":1386798,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1386798/?format=json","text_counter":675,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"Thank you, Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir. I raised that point to remind us of our solemn duty as lawmakers that legislation should never be rushed. I thank you for giving me this opportunity. Clause 42B seeks to put restrictions on ownership. It says that a person shall not acquire more than one affordable housing unit developed under this Act. The question is whether this is an Act that is going to serve us for one, two or the next 100 years. What timeframe are we legislating on? If you put it in law and cast it in stone that a person cannot acquire more than one affordable housing unit and we get to the point where the project becomes so successful that all Kenyans who wish to apply have done so and have been allocated housing units; are you going to shut down the scheme or come back to Parliament to amend it so that the next round of Kenyans can benefit? We must be careful in the manner in which we legislate. We must also ensure whenever we make amendments at the Committee of the Whole stage; we should ask ourselves whether those amendments have been subjected to public participation. I know"},{"id":1386799,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1386799/?format=json","text_counter":676,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1386800,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1386800/?format=json","text_counter":677,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"that at the Third Reading Stage, any Member has a right to rise and make amendments subject to certain consultations with the Chair of the respective Committee. However, does it take away the right of the public to be part of the decisions we make? Does it take away the constitutional responsibility to ensure that we inject the views and voice of the public into what we do? I think this is a fairly dangerous amendment because it comes from a position of want; a position that we are in and that could be easily solved in five or 10 years. Once the situation has been solved in 10 years and every Kenyan has access to affordable housing; even if they are not bought from this project, there are those who come from communities like mine--- I am still speaking to this amendment--- There are certain cultural dimensions to home ownership that we do not take into account when we are legislating. We think that everyone comes from Singapore and South Korea, but we come from Kenya. In my community, when a boy gets to the age of 18 or 19, he is compelled to build his first house called a Simba . About 90 percent of men in my community have access to houses---"}]}