{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137344","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137342","results":[{"id":1389841,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1389841/?format=json","text_counter":1182,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":" Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, that is the question that my learned friend, Sen. Sifuna, had asked and our answer remains the same. Our position is that the Kshs800,000 was a refund and that there is no relationship between payment that was remitted to Dr. Monda and any allegation of bribery. It is also our position that there is such a concerted effort to impeach and damage the name of the Deputy Governor that the witness is prepared to incriminate himself, if that is the only measure that will need to be taken for the Deputy Governor to be punished. There is a possibility that he has not committed that crime and that does not believe in bribery. However, since it is the only way to ensure achievement of punishment to the Deputy Governor, he is prepared to say that he has committed that crime, so that it places the matter before you. We are not making any admission of any wrongdoing. I hope I have answered your question, Sen. Sifuna."},{"id":1389842,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1389842/?format=json","text_counter":1183,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Wakili Sigei","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Fair enough. Take your seat, Senior Counsel Katwa Kigen. Let us listen to Sen. Wambua."},{"id":1389843,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1389843/?format=json","text_counter":1184,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Wambua","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13199,"legal_name":"Enoch Kiio Wambua","slug":"enoch-kiio-wambua"},"content":"Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I will stay with that line of questioning to Senior Counsel Katwa Kigen. Supposing there is an admission on the part of the witness, that indeed he participated in a criminal activity, would that absolve the Deputy Governor from liability of a similar crime? Secondly, you said the reason you are pushing that line of gambling is to demonstrate before this House that the witness cannot be relied on and that he has a history of using easy ways to get money. Is it then your admission that we should never expect any truth from a person who gambles?"},{"id":1389844,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1389844/?format=json","text_counter":1185,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Wakili Sigei","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Yes, Senior Counsel Katwa Kigen."},{"id":1389845,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1389845/?format=json","text_counter":1186,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":" Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we make no admission. For argument’s sake, if that was the case and the witness was to say that in his state of mind, he gave out the amount deeming it to be a bribe, then there is no corresponding state of mind on the part of the Deputy Governor that he was receiving a bribe. The Deputy Governor was receiving a refund of money he had given to the parents of my friend, Dennis. On the part of the Deputy Governor, his position is that he was receiving a refund of his money. If on the part of the state of the witness’ mind is that"},{"id":1389846,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1389846/?format=json","text_counter":1187,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1389847,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1389847/?format=json","text_counter":1188,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"he was giving out a bribe, then that has nothing to do with the culpability of the Deputy Governor. On the question of gambling, I did not intend to say that my friend, Mr. Misati, is involved in gambling and that necessarily makes him completely unbelievable. I was only saying that his testimony should be treated with circumspection. You should exercise caution in entertaining what he has said and the truth of what he is saying. However, I am not saying that it is utterly and completely nothing."},{"id":1389848,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1389848/?format=json","text_counter":1189,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Wakili Sigei","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Senior Counsel. Hon. Members, I will only allow one last person to make that inquiry, Sen. Thang’wa, so that we progress from there to the next witness."},{"id":1389849,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1389849/?format=json","text_counter":1190,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Thang’wa","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I have one question for the witness. The question is that I would want to know his feeling that his father is coming to testify against him. If the witness got the job, could he have complained? Mr. Dennis, proceed to---"},{"id":1389850,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1389850/?format=json","text_counter":1191,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Dennis Mokaya Misati","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on humanitarian ground, it is very sad and emotional that my dad is against the reality and the truth. He is colluding with somebody who took my money. He is calling for a refund instead of what we call facilitation. It is not a good feeling as a son. The second question you asked is if the facilitation I was asked was needed and led me get the job, why would I be here? I would be comfortably be working in the office. Thank you."}]}