{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137557","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137555","results":[{"id":1391971,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1391971/?format=json","text_counter":188,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"The second issue that we will address on that issue is that in the explicit statement that was presented by Lucy in the County Assembly, she said that she received an amount of Kshs100,000 and that she called the Deputy Governor and asked him what the money was for. She also said that when she asked the Deputy Governor that question, he kept quiet."},{"id":1391972,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1391972/?format=json","text_counter":189,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"We are saying on our part that the Deputy Governor told her that it was a mistake and that he meant to send it to Gladys. Taking Lucy’s statement at its best, Lucy does not say that it was meant to influence the decision she or the Board was to make for the purpose of giving out the job."},{"id":1391973,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1391973/?format=json","text_counter":190,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, having appeared before the County Assembly and having presented our case, immediately the people sponsoring this Motion went back and did another affidavit; now Lucy suddenly remembers that there was a specific statement by Dr. Monda saying that money was meant to assist in employment."},{"id":1391974,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1391974/?format=json","text_counter":191,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"Hon. Members, we pray that you give consideration to that change of mind and that this change of mind is caused by the way we conducted our defense at the County Assembly and is meant to fill gaps. We also emphasise that this statement was made after we had put in our defense and was meant to influence this Senate to think that her earlier statement stating that he kept quiet was not necessarily accurate. The third thing I will be showing and request that you take into account is that it is said that Ms. Lucy received the money, asked for it to be reversed and eventually sent it back when it was not reserved. I pray that you keep in mind the dates. It is said that the money was received on 28th, Ms. Lucy returns the money two days down the line, on 30th. We will take you through the M-Pesa to show you that Ms. Lucy must have celebrated the receipt of this money. If you look at the M-Pesa account, you will see how she immediately utilised the money upon receipt. So, the hero they are referring to is actually not a hero. Our point of emphasis is to simply say that it was a mistake. The money was returned and Dr. Monda was constrained and compelled to look for another money to pay the said Aminga who was meant to be paid, whose name is next to Ms. Lucy. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1391975,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1391975/?format=json","text_counter":192,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"One more statement on that issue of Ms. Lucy. We will be requesting that in fairness to Dr. Monda, we recall our lives and remember that from time to time, we have made mistakes by sending money to the wrong person when we intended to send to somebody else. That mistake cannot be taken away from Dr. Monda merely because he is standing trial. On the issue of threats, Dennis Misati, the son of Joseph Misati who will be coming to testify says he was threatened and he relocated with his family. We will be showing that, indeed, there was no communication between Dr. Monda and the said Dennis Misati. We are not aware of the demand letter he said he made. There is no demonstration of the alleged report to the Ethics and Anti-Corruption (EACC) which he says is the basis of that threat. It is a mere allegation. As a matter of rule of law, he has not made any report to the police that he was threatened. These allegations are made 8 months down the line. On the allegation of the misuse of staff, we will be demonstrating that, indeed, a deputy governor is entitled to be assigned some members of staff to help at home. We will be demonstrating that the allegation that these members of staff---I am surprised by my colleagues that it is not anywhere in the pleading. I suspect that it is my colleagues who have come up with it, saying that these staff were cooking for dogs. I wonder why they have to choose on dogs. However, our point is that the Deputy Governor is entitled to members of staff. None of them have said anywhere that they have been misused. It is said that these staff were used to dig a well. This should be around 2023/2024. We will be showing that there has been no well dug at the Deputy Governor’s home in the last almost 10 years because it was dug in 2023. We will be showing that he does not have dairy. Therefore, the allegation that he was using the staff to manage dairy is not true. We will demonstrate that he does not run any farming in Kisii. He has planted trees on the farm assigned to him. He has no farm which he could deploy the staff to work in. This is a complete falsehood from his brother. At this point, I want to hung on a minute to invite your attention to this. The first count of taking a bribe, on the third count of threatening Dennis, you will be having a situation where the father and mother are testifying against their son. On this county of alleged misuse of staff and the next point being the arrest of the brother, you will be having a situation where this Senate is asked to take the place of the mother of the two brothers, preside and determine their dispute. We are saying that this Senate is being reduced to an unfortunate level by being asked to preside over family disputes. My colleague will address you on that. Lastly, on the issue of the arrest of the brother, we draw your attention to the point that it is Dr. Monda’s case that he planted those trees. The trees belong to him. He planted them back in the year 2007. We have called witnesses who were involved in the planting of those trees. The brother came in and started cutting the trees. Dr. Monda did nothing other than reporting to the police that my brother is cutting trees that belong to me. The police did the investigation and determined. Indeed, from the face of what they heard, it was the brother who was on the wrong by cutting trees belonging to Dr. Monda and had him arrested. That will be our case. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1391976,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1391976/?format=json","text_counter":193,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"One of the issues we will be asking is whether you want at the Senate level to make a choice of believing either the brother who is Reuben or Dr. Robert Monda. The second one is whether you want to take up the role of the police who are already investigating the issue. My colleagues have tried to make the issue emotive by saying that over 20 people went to arrest Dr. Monda. Our position is that he went to report and the police arrested him. We do not know how many people went to arrest him. Assuming that 20 people went to arrest him, is the issue about the number of people who went to arrest or whether there is a culpable offence and whether the police were entitled or had a legitimate reason to effect the arrest?"},{"id":1391977,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1391977/?format=json","text_counter":194,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"To us, the issue of the number of people and summons to Haggai is irrelevant. It does not change anything. What matters is whether or not Dr. Monda was right to have reported and whether the police were acting within the scope of their duties in effecting the arrest."},{"id":1391978,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1391978/?format=json","text_counter":195,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"On 21st February, 2024, the County Assembly resolved that before they determine the impeachment of the Deputy Governor, they should go for a public participation. They did public participation and one of the results was a memorandum written by one Benson. He brought a memorandum accusing Dr. Monda of some excesses."},{"id":1391979,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1391979/?format=json","text_counter":196,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, I request for your direction. Your assistant is threatening me with 15 minutes. I am aware that my colleagues used over one hour. I would only pray for equal time because I am yet to address the issue of expunging some documents."},{"id":1391980,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1391980/?format=json","text_counter":197,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Counsel, that was not a threat. Indeed, you have 15 minutes. If you are not done within those 15 minutes, then you can make your plea and I will direct when we get there."}]}