{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137563","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137561","results":[{"id":1392031,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392031/?format=json","text_counter":248,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13599,"legal_name":"Sifuna Edwin Watenya","slug":"sifuna-edwin-watenya"},"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, first of all, I join---"},{"id":1392032,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392032/?format=json","text_counter":249,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Is it on the issue of---"},{"id":1392033,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392033/?format=json","text_counter":250,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13599,"legal_name":"Sifuna Edwin Watenya","slug":"sifuna-edwin-watenya"},"content":"It is a separate issue."},{"id":1392034,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392034/?format=json","text_counter":251,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Is it on the issue of Hon. Osoro?"},{"id":1392035,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392035/?format=json","text_counter":252,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13599,"legal_name":"Sifuna Edwin Watenya","slug":"sifuna-edwin-watenya"},"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to go on record to support the positions taken by the two Senators. However, since one of the parties has asked us to make a decision on the matter, with your great indulgence, I would like to get some clarification on the understanding of the rules of procedure for this particular process. Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to find out from the Advocate for the Deputy Governor, whether in their understanding, there is a distinction between evidence and an allegation. My understanding of the Standing Orders as I have read them is that for as long as there is evidence supporting an allegation that was present in the County Assembly---- I will give a specific example. If you are being accused of say, corruption and there are 10 pieces of evidence and seven are used in the County Assembly, is it possible or their position that the remaining three pieces of evidence supporting the same allegation that was present in the County Assembly cannot be presented before the Senate? That is the question I want them to answer for me as I ponder what to do with their objection."},{"id":1392036,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392036/?format=json","text_counter":253,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13599,"legal_name":"Sifuna Edwin Watenya","slug":"sifuna-edwin-watenya"},"content":"Secondly, whether it is their understanding that a public participation is an evidence collection forum. In my view, when you go for public participation, you are presenting the case against the Deputy Governor as framed in the County Assembly for the public to engage with that case. This is so that if I am being accused of corruption and that is what goes to public participation, is it possible that other people upon hearing The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1392037,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392037/?format=json","text_counter":254,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13599,"legal_name":"Sifuna Edwin Watenya","slug":"sifuna-edwin-watenya"},"content":"those allegations might also say that they were also victims. Therefore, what in their understanding are we supposed to do with that material? I thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir."},{"id":1392038,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392038/?format=json","text_counter":255,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Counsel?"},{"id":1392039,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392039/?format=json","text_counter":256,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, and hon. Members. Our emphasis on Rule 20 is that it prohibits both new evidence and allegations. On the face of that Rule, that is not clear and that is an issue I have belaboured on. That, whether the intention is that evidence that supports an already existing count is tenable. However, the words used are “Assembly is prohibited from introducing new evidence that was not part of the allegations.” If there is an allegation already in place and evidence was already adduced to support that allegation, you cannot bring new evidence in addition to what was canvassed at the Assembly and that is my understanding."},{"id":1392040,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392040/?format=json","text_counter":257,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Katwa Kigen","speaker_title":"The Counsel for the Deputy Governor","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, I can see Sen. Sifuna disagreeing with me, but that is my understanding of it, that it is cast in stone. What was done in the Assembly to the extent of the material in support of those counts is what should be brought here. This is because the inverse argument---"}]}