{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137638","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137636","results":[{"id":1392781,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392781/?format=json","text_counter":693,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Suna East, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Junet Mohamed","speaker":null,"content":"Secondly, this is a clear example of why Members should take time to read the report of committees when tabled because certain times like this one, committees change Bills fundamentally. I think they have deleted close to 19 clauses of this Bill. Having said that and being a Member of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, I agree that this time they have done a wonderful job and have served the country well. However, I want to differ with them on one issue: The issue of cabinet secretaries. As a country, we got a new Constitution in 2010. If you see some offices properly provided in the Constitution, it means the Kenyan people did not want any extra offices. They The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1392782,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392782/?format=json","text_counter":694,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Suna East, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Junet Mohamed","speaker":null,"content":"said they want to have a minimum of 14 and a maximum of 22 cabinet secretaries and principal secretaries. They have put all that in the Constitution. That Constitution went through a referendum which was the will of the people of Kenya. If we come back through this House and start creating offices which are supposed to be constitutional… If Kenyans wanted to have assistant or deputy ministers, whom we are now referring to as CASs, they would have voted in the referendum for the position to be put in the Constitution. We now call them CASs, but they should really be assistant or deputy ministers. I can tell you for free without any fear of contradiction that if this Bill is enacted, becomes an Act of Parliament and assented to by the President, if it is declared unconstitutional and vindicated through a constitutional court, it is going to be because of this CAS position. All the other things are correct and captured well. Most of the appointees of this year's positions are going to be election losers in their constituencies, counties and wards. The President has a lot of avenues to accommodate those people. He does not have to create an office for them through a statute. This is an abuse of the legislation process. If he wants to accommodate them, he can make them chairs and directors of parastatals. He can even tell them to cook tea for him in his offices and pay them. There are many ways he can accommodate them. We do not need to create an illegality through a statute. Look at what Kenyans are going through; high taxation. We are taxing Kenyans to the bone for us to create offices for people. I heard the Vice-Chairperson of my Committee say that during the previous regime, the CAS positions were there. Yes, but this Government came on the platform of not creating offices for big men and women. ‘ Hatutengenezi ofisi yawakubwa na wadosi,’ that is what we were told. What are we doing this afternoon through this Bill? We are creating offices for big men and women of this country. In that list, when it is presented, you will not see mama mboga, boda boda or vulnerable people. You will only see big men and women who are known. I can even table the list here now. I can determine the people who will be appointed to those offices. Are we going to tax Kenyans? Today, the discussion in this country is about taxing bread and milk. That is what we are discussing this afternoon. So, you want to tell me we are going to tax bread and milk so that we can create offices for people? Why can they not do other things?"},{"id":1392783,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392783/?format=json","text_counter":695,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"West Mugirango, JP","speaker_title":"Hon. Stephen Mogaka","speaker":null,"content":" Point of Order."},{"id":1392784,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392784/?format=json","text_counter":696,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Peter Kaluma","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":1565,"legal_name":"George Peter Opondo Kaluma","slug":"george-peter-opondo-kaluma"},"content":" What is out of order?"},{"id":1392785,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392785/?format=json","text_counter":697,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"West Mugirango, JP","speaker_title":"Hon. Stephen Mogaka","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Speaker, is the Chief Whip of the Minority Party in order to insinuate that he knows the people to be appointed to these positions even before they are created by law? I submit he must be out of order."},{"id":1392786,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392786/?format=json","text_counter":698,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. Peter Kaluma)"},{"id":1392787,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392787/?format=json","text_counter":699,"type":"heading","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":":"},{"id":1392788,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392788/?format=json","text_counter":700,"type":"other","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Are you forgetting that some people had been appointed to those positions before and the same were nullified?"},{"id":1392789,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392789/?format=json","text_counter":701,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(An Hon. Member spoke off the record)"},{"id":1392790,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392790/?format=json","text_counter":702,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Suna East, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Junet Mohamed","speaker":null,"content":" Let me forgive my colleague. I know he is angling for his cousin to be on that list. I do not know whether it will happen. I know he is from Nyamira. God knows whether he will appear on the list. Having said that, I know that cousin might get it or not. I am now losing my thought process. I wanted to say that we are discussing the high taxation in this country. You can see what is happening. People are blaming loans and other things. Yes, we have to pay our loans and tax Kenyans. However, we cannot tax Kenyans to pay a CAS Ksh1 million. I must stand on the Floor of this House to oppose that. If a politician feels that he wants to get a job, he should be given a job that is already in the Constitution. Lastly, after being appointed, these CASs are going to be sent to Parliament to answer Questions. How can Parliament listen to unconstitutional figures? Parliament only listens to The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"}]}