{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137641","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=137639","results":[{"id":1392811,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392811/?format=json","text_counter":723,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Nominated, JP","speaker_title":"Hon. Sabina Chege","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you. That is valuable information and I appreciate it. Sometimes, when we are elected or nominated to certain positions, we tend to assume that we will always hold those positions. However, we should remember that we will not be in these positions forever. Therefore, as we criticise the shortlisted names, we should also consider how we would like to be treated when we are no longer in power. I thank the Committee for the thorough deliberations. The number of CASs must be less than 22 so that they almost equal the number of cabinet secretaries. Yes, we are facing difficult financial times, but we should consider the value that the appointment of additional CASs would bring to our ministries. Our greatest challenge lies in addressing wastage, particularly regarding corruption. I recall the former President stating that we were losing Ksh2 billion each day. Is this amount greater than the cost of paying additional CASs? If this Bill is passed, I implore the appointees to prioritise reducing wastage within the Government. We must allocate funds based on the needs of the people. Therefore, the 21 or 22 CASs being added to the Government will not be the only ones adding expenses. We can make significant savings if everyone works diligently and with the best interests of Kenyans in mind. Health and education should be given priority. I propose a law to be passed in this House to consolidate all funds and provide free education from nursery to university. This will ensure that children from vulnerable backgrounds access quality and free education. It will enable them to sit at the same table as their privileged peers. There are many ways of sorting out the problems that we have. This cannot be made to look like the only solution. We do not have the chief administrative secretaries, but the problems are still there. Let us sit as this House and ask ourselves how we legislate and offer solutions to this country. This is because God has appointed us at a time like this so that we bring change."},{"id":1392812,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392812/?format=json","text_counter":724,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Nominated, JP","speaker_title":"Hon. Sabina Chege","speaker":null,"content":"From where I stand, I support. I hope that during the Committee of the whole House, the Committee will bring those amendments so that we can make sure that what we pass in this House becomes lawful. I am very sure that we have a final solution on this matter of chief administrative secretaries that was in court."},{"id":1392813,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392813/?format=json","text_counter":725,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Nominated, JP","speaker_title":"Hon. Sabina Chege","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for the opportunity."},{"id":1392814,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392814/?format=json","text_counter":726,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Peter Kaluma","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":1565,"legal_name":"George Peter Opondo Kaluma","slug":"george-peter-opondo-kaluma"},"content":" Thank you. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal."},{"id":1392815,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392815/?format=json","text_counter":727,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Seme, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to discuss the green document, the Bill, that we are discussing. I do not support it. I must appreciate the work that has been done by the Committee, but to a large extent, that The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1392816,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392816/?format=json","text_counter":728,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Seme, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal","speaker":null,"content":"will come when we get to the Committee of the whole House. We are discussing this Bill, and as it is, I do not support it. One must always look at the philosophy of a Bill. The philosophy of this Bill shows that it is controlled by the Executive. Period! If we have a constitutional arrangement and you see an effort to get things around it, just know that it is always dangerous. The Constitution gives the Executive the authority and the leeway to work, but at the same time, it is a check on the Executive. When you remove those checks, you put the country in danger. Hon. Temporary Speaker, adding the secretary of the National Security Council and a Principal Secretary for Defence to the assumption of office will bring in the element of the military. You do not want to do that when dealing with a purely civil matter. We are always very careful on how we handle military when dealing with civil matters. That definitely cannot be a good thing. It may be okay to add more people to represent the President elect. That is considerable. But I see mischief in bringing in the Principal Secretary for Defence. Why would one say that they want a National Security Council advisor when all the people in this Council are heads of the security organs of the State? What other advice do they need to add in there? At least, the Committee agreed with us on that. There is a provision that if you want technical advice, whether on the use of drones or to develop satellites, you can get those technical people and bring them in. You do not have to bring that into the Constitution. I want to speak on the National Security Committee becoming a committee of the Council, which is actually established by the Constitution. Quite often, those committees just usurp and take over. Again, I am happy that the Committee saw that. It is something that I would not want to see in any Bill at all. It indicates bad thinking and intentions; the desire to control all the time. You are bringing in people who are probably easier to manipulate. The Office of the Attorney-General, the Public Seal, is the utmost symbol and authority of the legal arm of the Government. How can you take it from an office which is constitutionally constituted, and give it to an office that is as at now, administrative? You are intending to make it legal by a statute by removing it from a position it constitutionally held. What are you intending to do? Obviously, the Head of Public Service, as appointed, will answer directly to the Executive. They are obligated and owe their position to that. On the other hand, the Attorney-General is obligated by the Constitution. That is the place where we need it. I am happy you also saw that. Consider the co-ordination of the national Government. You want the position of the Head of the Public Service - which is an administrative position that works very well to coordinate the Public Service - to be established in law. This is something that has been working for years, as indicated in the Report. You want to bring it in through an Act of Parliament. What is the intention? If it is not broken, do not fix it. What is the intention and philosophy behind it? Lastly, the position of the chief administrative secretary originates from the former position of the assistant minister. I worked as a permanent secretary when we had assistant ministers, and there was always a problem. We have the offices of the principal secretary, and the cabinet secretary, and ministries have directors of administration. We always had a problem with finding out what the assistant minister was supposed to do. If we bring them back, what will they do? I can see suggestions here of what they will do. One suggestion was liaison with Parliament. All ministries have technical officers who liaise with Parliament. Were they liaising with the Clerk, the National Assembly or committees? I do not think we need that position. The Bill states that we should liaise with the county governments on matters of concurrent mandate. We have the Intergovernmental Relations Technical Committee (IGRTC) in place. It has fora and people who can actually link the national Government and the county The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1392817,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392817/?format=json","text_counter":729,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Seme, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal","speaker":null,"content":"governments. The problem is that our IGRTC is not working. We are bringing in somebody who will literally kill them. That is not necessary. Another function that is mentioned is providing inter-ministerial and sectoral coordination. We are establishing the Office of the Head of the Public Service. That is the person who will coordinate those issues. Why do we have to come up with another office to co-ordinate the same? Who will this person be reporting to? If you look at those issues, you will see a desire for control. I definitely oppose this Bill. However, the Committee may save the Bill when we get to the Committee of the whole House stage. Let us just hope that not enough people oppose it during the Second Reading. However, if we had debated the Report as the Committee had recommended, I would have supported it. I do not support the green document as it is now. T"},{"id":1392818,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392818/?format=json","text_counter":730,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Peter Kaluma","speaker_title":"he Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":1565,"legal_name":"George Peter Opondo Kaluma","slug":"george-peter-opondo-kaluma"},"content":" Hon. Gertrude Mbeyu."},{"id":1392819,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392819/?format=json","text_counter":731,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kilifi County, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Gertrude Mwanyanje","speaker":null,"content":" Ahsante, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Nimengojea nafasi hii ili niweze kupinga hoja moja katika Mswada huu. Ningependa kuzungumzia ualikaji wa hawa mawaziri wadogo. Ninaomba Serikali iwalipe na kuwaandika madaktari. Madaktari huwa wanapata shida. Madaktari wamegoma na interns hawajaandikwa kazi, ilhali tunawahitaji zaidi. Walimu wengi katika shule za sekondari wameandikwa na kulipwa mishahara na"},{"id":1392820,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1392820/?format=json","text_counter":732,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"school board of management"}]}