{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138063","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138061","results":[{"id":1397031,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1397031/?format=json","text_counter":388,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Belgut, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Nelson Koech","speaker":null,"content":" I feel it, Hon. Janet. If you have further questions for the Ministry of Defence, I would kindly ask that you use the same channel to request for additional information. My Committee will take your questions extremely serious."},{"id":1397032,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1397032/?format=json","text_counter":389,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ruaraka, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. TJ Kajwang’","speaker":null,"content":" Point of order."},{"id":1397033,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1397033/?format=json","text_counter":390,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Peter Kaluma","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":1565,"legal_name":"George Peter Opondo Kaluma","slug":"george-peter-opondo-kaluma"},"content":" Hon. Tom Joseph Francis Kajwang’, what is out of order?"},{"id":1397034,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1397034/?format=json","text_counter":391,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ruaraka, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. TJ Kajwang’","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Speaker, I listened to Hon. Janet’s response to the Cabinet Secretary’s remarks and she said something profound: the Cabinet Secretary’s response is not accurate in substance. That should worry us. In fact, in unparliamentary language, it would mean that the Cabinet Secretary is lying to the House. She says that on 25th December 2021, on Christmas Day, three people died because of bullet The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1397035,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1397035/?format=json","text_counter":392,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ruaraka, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. TJ Kajwang’","speaker":null,"content":"wounds. People who die of bullet wounds are what a human being can see. Three people died because of bullet wounds and two others were maimed yet in the response by the Cabinet Secretary, he gives a statement which I found very worrisome. He says that no live ammunition was used. Those two statements are irreconcilable. One says three Kenyans died yet a Cabinet Secretary says there was no live bullet used. When a Cabinet Secretary makes a statement which is untruthful on a matter of fact, should the House not reprimand them if it turns out that this is untrue? And should the Cabinet Secretary be ordered to give a further statement on the accuracy, if only on the use of firearms? I take the Member very seriously because Members do not lie in this House. When a Member says three people are dead because of bullet wounds, it is true. We take an oath here to defend the Constitution and be truthful to this House. I tend to think that Hon. Janet is telling the truth on this matter. When the Cabinet Secretary says there was no firearm used, should we not ask the Cabinet Secretary to make further statements on that issue so that we get the truth of this matter?"},{"id":1397036,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1397036/?format=json","text_counter":393,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Peter Kaluma","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":1565,"legal_name":"George Peter Opondo Kaluma","slug":"george-peter-opondo-kaluma"},"content":" Hon. Anthony Oluoch."},{"id":1397037,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1397037/?format=json","text_counter":394,"type":"heading","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"QUORUM"},{"id":1397038,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1397038/?format=json","text_counter":395,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mathare, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Anthony Oluoch","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Speaker, I would ask you to determine whether there is quorum for this House to continue before you proceed any further."},{"id":1397039,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1397039/?format=json","text_counter":396,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Peter Kaluma","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":1565,"legal_name":"George Peter Opondo Kaluma","slug":"george-peter-opondo-kaluma"},"content":" The parliamentary administration should help with the confirmation. They should look around and confirm whether we have quorum. As they approach me with that confirmation, could Hon. Kangogo comment on this?"},{"id":1397040,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1397040/?format=json","text_counter":397,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Marakwet East, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Kangogo Bowen","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I have heard the response that Hon. Nelson Koech has given us. It is completely different from what we saw and was reported in the media. The answer by the Chairman is just cosmetic. Although I cannot accuse my colleague, I would suggest that the Temporary Speaker rule that the Cabinet Secretary for Defence, Hon. Duale, appears before this House to answer this question substantively. Second, KDF officers are very inhuman. These are sons of mothers. They are also brothers and sisters. They are human beings like us, but if you see how they treat Kenyans, it is terrible. Today, in my constituency, in the name of looking for cattle rustlers, they have destroyed almost 10 motorbikes. They have also destroyed about seven kiosks. They went to a place where there was a burial and mixed the food there with sand – imagine such kind of people. The behaviour the KDF is showing is completely wrong. They were taken to Kerio Valley to help build peace but they are becoming the source of insecurity. We are seeking that they be removed from Kerio Valley. We better live with our bandits because we were better off before KDF came in."}]}