{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138581","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138579","results":[{"id":1402211,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1402211/?format=json","text_counter":280,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kathuri","speaker_title":"The Deputy Speaker","speaker":{"id":13590,"legal_name":"Murungi Kathuri","slug":"murungi-kathuri"},"content":"Yes, you must apologize. Proceed, Sen. Beatrice Akinyi."},{"id":1402212,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1402212/?format=json","text_counter":281,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Ogola","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. From the onset, I support Sen. Mumma in this. From the word go, when you hear Sen. Cherarkey speak, you wonder whether this is the same Government that is talking about Universal Health Care (UHC). The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1402213,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1402213/?format=json","text_counter":282,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Ogola","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you can never achieve UHC if we do not look at the welfare of doctors. Health is a basic right, but as this goes on unattended by the same Government that talks about universal care, do we think about pregnant women back in the villages who are seeking services from quirks because doctors that have been trained from the investment of Kenyans are away from hospitals and the Government seems not to be keen? Do we think about children who should have been attending clinics? Do we really think about the elderly that go every day for medical services from our public hostel? As the public hostels are closed, what Kenyans are left with is to run to quacks, which we are not sure even of the skills that they have. Our mothers, our sick people are running---We have just come from recess. Back there, we saw mothers carrying sick children seeking treatment from every other clinic, some of them as a government or people's representative, we are not even sure of the skills they have. Kenyans have invested in the training of doctors and for a number of people. I hope all of us have gone to school. As you are going to school even at higher education, we knew the many hours that doctors take in their training. So, what doctors are asking for is acceptable. Think about some of the issues that the doctors are raising, such as risk allowance. Just the other day when we had the COVID period, all Kenyans were advised and restricted to stay in their houses. The only people who were left attending to the sick with all the risks were medics. In the morning, I listened to the Cabinet Secretary. She made a statement that let the medics come to them. The Cabinet Secretary and the Government should go to the medics. If your people have raised issues, the only honourable thing that the Cabinet Secretary and the Government need to do is to reach out to the medics, listen to their grievances and have them addressed. I do not think that all the medics are presenting a request that cannot be managed by the Government. As I have said, Kenyans invested in these doctors. When you go to hospitals as presented by the Mover, the first call of action is always by the interns. They do three-quarters of the work at the hospital. So, I do not think that what they are asking for is out of reach of the Government. So, the Government must listen to the medics. There is the notion that the Cabinet Secretary and other people have been propagating; that health is devolved. The national Government should neither have a say nor even be concerned about solving this challenge. This country is made up of 47 governments and one major Government. The buck stops with the national Government. The Government sets standards, guidelines and policies that must be overseen. If health is managed well, then Kenya will meet the Universal Health Care that we are trying to propagate. I want to end by saying that there is no Kenya that is a county or Kenya that is a national Government."},{"id":1402214,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1402214/?format=json","text_counter":283,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kathuri","speaker_title":"The Deputy Speaker","speaker":{"id":13590,"legal_name":"Murungi Kathuri","slug":"murungi-kathuri"},"content":" Sen. Maanzo."},{"id":1402215,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1402215/?format=json","text_counter":284,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Maanzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13589,"legal_name":"Maanzo Daniel Kitonga","slug":"maanzo-daniel-kitonga"},"content":"Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Motion. I want to state that the Government has refused to fully devolve health, agriculture and other sectors like water are still stuck largely in terms of money at the national Government. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1402216,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1402216/?format=json","text_counter":285,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Maanzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13589,"legal_name":"Maanzo Daniel Kitonga","slug":"maanzo-daniel-kitonga"},"content":"When it comes to training doctors, education is still a national function and, therefore, squarely lies on the Cabinet Secretary for Health. A doctor goes for training at the university for six years to study Medicine. By the time they graduate, they are already doctors. The only other technicality left is a little bit of experience as the requirement because of an apprenticeship of working with a qualified doctor for some time, so that you can learn more or polish your skills. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, dealing with health and people’s lives is very delicate. You cannot come straight from the classroom and operate as a surgeon. You cannot come straight from the classroom and be a neurosurgeon. You have to work with other surgeons and apply all your skills, just like a pilot does or the practice of Law. Therefore, when it comes to doctors, there was an agreement that they were already working. By the conduct of the two contracting parties, that is, the Government and the doctors, there is already an implied contract, and you are already working. So, when it comes to bargaining, then the two sides should meet and agree. You may not necessarily implement the previous agreements or existing agreements fully. However, you can increase and the Government can agree, so that the doctors--- Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you know in negotiations, it is give and take. However, the current negotiations of the striking doctors, it is one of dictatorship. You are supposed to surrender everything. There is no give and take. Therefore, that does not amount to negotiations. It is a matter for which the Inspector of General (IG) and the police unit have not apologised. Shooting a doctor who was striking, injuring him and having him end up in the hospital was a criminal offence by whoever officer did it. We want to follow the constitution. Article 37 of the Constitution has not been suspended. One can pick it reasonably and the doctors have been reasonable. They are dressed well and you can identify them. They have vuvuzelas, no guns, stones or anything that can injure anybody. Therefore, they should be allowed to continue picketing till their demands are met. You cannot also train a doctor overnight and the training of a doctor is specialized. It is not one of those careers where you can take shortcuts or have fake papers, as the President has confirmed that most people working for county governments and national Government have fake papers. Some Cabinet Secretaries by their conduct, talk and the way they have explained how they acquired their degrees, some investigations need to be conducted. If there are fake Cabinet Secretaries, who carry fake papers, they have already been told by the President to resign. Therefore, the matter of striking doctors is very serious. We support them. Let them lobby till they get something reasonable for their livelihood."},{"id":1402217,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1402217/?format=json","text_counter":286,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kathuri","speaker_title":"The Deputy Speaker","speaker":{"id":13590,"legal_name":"Murungi Kathuri","slug":"murungi-kathuri"},"content":" Sen. Maanzo, there is something that I did not get right. Did you talk of fake Cabinet Secretaries?"},{"id":1402218,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1402218/?format=json","text_counter":287,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Maanzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13589,"legal_name":"Maanzo Daniel Kitonga","slug":"maanzo-daniel-kitonga"},"content":"Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I said that there is a possibility that from what the President has announced today, there are Cabinet Secretaries who may be carrying fake degrees. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1402219,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1402219/?format=json","text_counter":288,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kathuri","speaker_title":"The Deputy Speaker","speaker":{"id":13590,"legal_name":"Murungi Kathuri","slug":"murungi-kathuri"},"content":" Now that it is the President who said that, can you now paraphrase what you meant?"},{"id":1402220,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1402220/?format=json","text_counter":289,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Maanzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13589,"legal_name":"Maanzo Daniel Kitonga","slug":"maanzo-daniel-kitonga"},"content":"Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if there is one, now that the President has said, if you have fake papers, and you know yourself, resign by before we come for you. If any Cabinet Secretary---"}]}