{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138759","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138757","results":[{"id":1403991,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1403991/?format=json","text_counter":378,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Cherarkey","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13217,"legal_name":"Cherarkey K Samson","slug":"cherarkey-k-samson"},"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, I invite Members, especially senior youth leader, Sen. Oburu, to look at the intent and principle and the spirit of this introduction. Why? One, you remember AFA issued a letter on closing some factories in central region, that is Kisumu, Kericho and Nandi South. Imagine your cane was ready. Mr. Chairman, Sir, every game has rules and has a referee. The reason Kenya Sugar Board (KSB) is being removed as sugar directorate from AFA is to give KSB an opportunity to become a regulatory. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1403992,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1403992/?format=json","text_counter":379,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Cherarkey","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13217,"legal_name":"Cherarkey K Samson","slug":"cherarkey-k-samson"},"content":"The KSB is a regulatory body. Just the same way I must get a license from Kenya Dairy Board to take my milk from Nandi to Kakamega or Kisumu. For example, in Chemilil-Chemase ward, we produce 1,800 metric tons of cane in a day. Let us assume out of the seven factories, only two are functional. They do not have sufficient capacity, so the exemption can be provided for me to take that sugarcane to Vihiga or Kakamega, which is in another zone. This exemption is within the power of KSB. I correct the misnomer that it does not mean KSB will only sit in Nairobi. They will have offices just like the way Kenya Dairy Board has offices in other areas. Finally, I have heard something very dangerous from Sen. Oburu saying that you should not be tied with draconian agreement. It is you the farmer and the miller who went to an agreement. If we allow that agreement be broken, it means we will be allowing cane poaching and hawking. If I am doing cane development as a factory then somebody somewhere like Oburu factory wants to come and buy without following an agreement, it will bring chaos in the industry. I submit."},{"id":1403993,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1403993/?format=json","text_counter":380,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kathuri","speaker_title":"The Chairperson","speaker":{"id":13590,"legal_name":"Murungi Kathuri","slug":"murungi-kathuri"},"content":" Sen. Olekina, kindly comment on the amendment, do not debate."},{"id":1403994,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1403994/?format=json","text_counter":381,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Olekina","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":407,"legal_name":"Ledama Olekina","slug":"ledama-olekina"},"content":"Mr. Chairman, Sir, this is a very important debate. However, as I listen to both Sen. Cheruiyot and Sen. Oburu, one point that he has is that what does a farmer do when the company that you have a contract with refuses to pay you money and you have a loan that you are supposed to pay? Senate Majority Leader, we need to discuss this to find a way to ensure that the farmer is not tied to that miller if the miller does not pay them. I think we need to further amend this clause. That is why you should not be in a rush to pass this. We take care of the interests of the farmers that Sen. Oburu is representing. When we were consulting, Sen. Oburu told me that he has a relative who has not been paid Kshs2 million and he has taken a loan on. When that relative attempts to sell sugar to another milling company, Muhoroni Sugar comes and says it is poaching, we will not allow it. Yet, they have not paid him for two years over Kshs2 million. We need to have a balance. I have a problem with boards. I agree with Sen. Oburu 100 per cent that we are creating a lot of bureaucracies. All we need to do is to protect these farmers and say that if there is this contract, it must be respected by both parties. There is no point as to why the miller do not respect the contract by not paying the farmer for two years. If it says when you collect my cane, pay me---"},{"id":1403995,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1403995/?format=json","text_counter":382,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Loud consultations)"},{"id":1403996,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1403996/?format=json","text_counter":383,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Olekina","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":407,"legal_name":"Ledama Olekina","slug":"ledama-olekina"},"content":"Let me finish my argument. That is the issue Sen. Oburu has with this board."},{"id":1403997,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1403997/?format=json","text_counter":384,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kathuri","speaker_title":"The Chairperson","speaker":{"id":13590,"legal_name":"Murungi Kathuri","slug":"murungi-kathuri"},"content":" Sen. Olekina, would you want to be informed by the Senate Majority Leader? The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1403998,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1403998/?format=json","text_counter":385,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Olekina","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":407,"legal_name":"Ledama Olekina","slug":"ledama-olekina"},"content":"Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am happy to be informed."},{"id":1403999,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1403999/?format=json","text_counter":386,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Cheruiyot","speaker_title":"The Senate Majority Leader","speaker":{"id":13165,"legal_name":"Aaron Kipkirui Cheruiyot","slug":"aaron-cheruiyot"},"content":" Sen. Olekina, I think you are conflating issues. What you are describing is a situation prevailing, where a farmer has delivered cane to a certain miller and they have not been paid. You are arguing that we need to provide mechanisms to ensure that they recover whatever they have delivered. That is a completely separate issue from the debate that we are having with Sen. (Dr.) Oburu. Sen. (Dr.) Oburu holds the position that there should be no exemption or restriction in the game and that it should be free and open. Unfortunately, this played out here on Tuesday. I do not know if Sen. Wambua was here. We had farmers from central region; Nandi, Uasin Gishu and Kericho, who appeared before the committee. The way it had previously been drafted in the law, when there was no this clause on exemption, farmers were up in arms. They said that we want to lump them in one region without providing room for them to do what we proposed to be provided for them to deliver wherever they want to. That is why we have provided this exemption with conditions that, first, you demonstrate that you had a pre-existing agreement with a miller. If, for example, you are in the central zone, already you have an agreement with another miller. You can ask to be exempted. Secondly, the grower is not indebted to any miller or out-grower institution within the sugar zone. That means that you do not owe anybody any money and you are not running away from anybody. Finally, you do not have a supply agreement between you and any miller within that particular region. Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, this is a perfect middle ground, given the fact that in the absence of this Clause 19A, you are left with Clause 19 as it is, which has put farmers into zones with no exit clause for them. You have described, there will be farmers who may feel that a certain miller who is not within their zone treats them better and they want to do business with them. I thought that is a better middle ground. The only point that has been raised here, which we need to reflect, is how to access the board. That is something the committee needs to guide us on how it will be done. Think of an average farmer at Kipsitet or any other part. You do not want to leave a peasant farmer who has an acre or two or even five acres of sugarcane at the expense of a body that sits here in Nairobi. That particular part should be drafted properly. It was until Sen. Mandago said it that I thought about. Either the chairperson needs to guide, or we need to reflect because the people in the House here are all representatives of sugarcane farmers. As we go along with this discussion, after Members have spoken, we need to sit down and agree on a better draft to this exemption, other than leaving an interaction between farmers and the board."},{"id":1404000,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404000/?format=json","text_counter":387,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"I have a proposal."}]}