{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138761","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138759","results":[{"id":1404011,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404011/?format=json","text_counter":398,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Olekina","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":407,"legal_name":"Ledama Olekina","slug":"ledama-olekina"},"content":"Mr. Chairman, Sir, what Sen. Cheruiyot said is exactly what I was saying. The problem that Sen. (Dr.) Oburu has with this restriction is the board. Secondly, Sen. (Dr.) Oburu has a problem with people who do not pay. If you are restricted to a zone that does not pay you, it is still the same problem. I am actually in agreement with you. I have been in agreement with you from the onset. I was trying to persuade Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, but now I agree with him. He has a problem with one, which I also do. Sen. Mandago has the same problem with this bureaucracy of creating a vote to give those exemptions. I agree with Sen. (Dr.) Oburu on this one. How do you expect a small farmer who has two acres to go to that board to seek approval to go and sell their cane somewhere else?"},{"id":1404012,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404012/?format=json","text_counter":399,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Loud consultations)"},{"id":1404013,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404013/?format=json","text_counter":400,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Olekina","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":407,"legal_name":"Ledama Olekina","slug":"ledama-olekina"},"content":"Can I finish?"},{"id":1404014,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404014/?format=json","text_counter":401,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kithuri","speaker_title":"The Chairperson","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Olekina, please conclude."},{"id":1404015,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404015/?format=json","text_counter":402,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Olekina","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":407,"legal_name":"Ledama Olekina","slug":"ledama-olekina"},"content":"Mr. Chairman, Sir, the best way forward is this. It is good for us to agree because we are all fighting for our farmers. I have a problem with my farmers in Narok being forced to sell their cane to another zone if they have a problem with where they sell because they are not being paid. I have a problem with creating bureaucracies where you have a board that sits in Nairobi, that every farmer has to come and seek exemption. They have to inform the board that they do not owe any miller if they want to sell their cane. That creates an avenue for corruption and that is the problem I have. My proposition is as follows. The best thing is for the committee to relook at this issue and see how to redraft the powers of the board."},{"id":1404016,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404016/?format=json","text_counter":403,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(An hon. Senator spoke off record)"},{"id":1404017,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404017/?format=json","text_counter":404,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Olekina","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":407,"legal_name":"Ledama Olekina","slug":"ledama-olekina"},"content":"If we amend it here, it will help us. I have a problem with bureaucracies of these boards. Leave the farmer alone. I do not even know why we are controlling this crop so much. Allow farmers to grow cane and sell it wherever they want to. The problem is when---"},{"id":1404018,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404018/?format=json","text_counter":405,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kathuri","speaker_title":"The Chairperson","speaker":{"id":13590,"legal_name":"Murungi Kathuri","slug":"murungi-kathuri"},"content":" Sen. M. Kajwang’, what is your proposal? The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1404019,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404019/?format=json","text_counter":406,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"Mr. Chairman, Sir, we are probably losing the essence of this Bill. For those who have done systems programming, there is something called entity relationship diagram. We are establishing zones; each zone with growers and millers and restricting activities within those zones. However, for the reasons that have been provided in the proposed Clause 19A, particularly the second reason, the grower is not indebted to any miller or out-grower institution within the sugarcane zone. That grower cannot be compelled to supply cane within that zone. Mr. Chairman, Sir, I hear what Sen. Cheruiyot is saying. It is drafting that could be problematic. Perhaps, we need an opportunity to redraft this and exclude the mention of the board. We can simply say that a grower shall be exempted from the restrictions on supply of cane, if the grower is not indebted to any miller or out-grower institution. We should drop Clause 19A (2), which then compels a grower to go to the board. I think that is where the problem is; the board is an unnecessary bureaucracy. In any case, we are saying that the Cabinet Secretary shall prescribe regulations for consideration. We know that sometimes Cabinet Secretaries take forever to bring regulations to this House. Under delegated authority, we have given the Cabinet Secretary six months to come up with regulations. Remember, this is an amendment that has not been carried over to the responsibilities of the Cabinet Secretary under delegated authority. I agree that we remove this board. If I have grown my cane using my money, my resources, my fertilizer and my seed, allow me to sell wherever I want to sell it."},{"id":1404020,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404020/?format=json","text_counter":407,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kathuri","speaker_title":"The Chairperson","speaker":{"id":13590,"legal_name":"Murungi Kathuri","slug":"murungi-kathuri"},"content":" Chairperson of the Committee, you have heard the sentiments from Members. If you are agreeable, you can see how to navigate the wanting of this clause. I want to hear first from the Chairperson of the Committee."}]}