{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138809","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138807","results":[{"id":1404491,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404491/?format=json","text_counter":275,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Suba North, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona","speaker":null,"content":"because anybody who is given discretion tends to abuse it. If you even look at earlier legislation in this House, we tend to tie hands. That is why sometimes I disagree with the courts. For instance, in the Sexual Offences Act, we included minimum sentences. The reason behind this was the expectation that a reasonable person, when presented with a case where a 60-year-old man has raped a three-year-old, would jail the offender for life. But there are people who then use the discretion to let that person go off on probation. That is why we said as Parliament that on certain issues, you need to guide even the commission that is doing that. It is not taking away their independence; it is basically empowering them with a tool so that they are not considered as misusing that discretion. Perhaps that is one of the things that you need to reconsider. Even if it means providing other standards that will guide them not to misuse or abuse. Unfortunately, I do not know why as human beings, God gives us the opportunity to learn and we do not learn. Sometimes Parliament is the most amazing. I am just about to release my book and I always tell people that the change of guard is one event away. In the last Parliament, you were here and we were the ones making faces at you. Now you are the one sitting there as the Deputy Majority Leader, yet while sitting there you forget that circumstances change. It is just one event away and sometimes that event is as sad as General Ogolla dying in a crash. The family's tears have hardly dried but somebody else has been sworn in and is already doing his work. So, in the same manner when you are making laws, make laws for your good times and your bad times. Make a law that will work for you in season and out of season. I understand there has been a lot of concern about the proposed amendments; there are fears that they will create… I do not want to call them historical because they are no longer historical; they are current injustices. Some people are seeking to punish others whom they deem to have taken land, claiming that it is now their turn to grab it, and attempting to extend the timeframe so that they can grab land. Grab it knowing that people will come for your own children. The same way I am saying you are sitting there, just a few months ago, you were not sitting there. Why can God not just give us a grace and mercy to learn that circumstances change? Learn to be fair and to play by the rules so that you do not put our children in a fix, but above all, so that we can also bring stability in this country. There are things that we have heard a lot and have become like broken telephones. It is like the way nowadays I hear people talking all the time about colonialism —that we cannot do certain things because we are colonised. By the time the colonialists left, I had not been born. So why am I blaming colonialists all my life? Yes, we were colonised, but what are we doing about it? Get up and change your lifestyles. We cannot blame people all our lives. I think as a country we should be tired of hearing the issue of historical land injustices. That is why we need a timeframe, sort out those issues and let us hear the concerns about the Gen Zs who are giving us, parents lectures. How do we deal with those ones? How do you deal with Artificial Intelligence? How do we deal with other issues that are emerging that are faster than us instead of dealing with things like the historical land injustices? There are things that I hear in this House… My left ear is blocked. I do not know if it is because of things like those. It has been blocked for the last three days; perhaps it is because we are not moving forward. We had just started so wonderfully when we came up with a constitution in 2010. We passed a plethora of laws that were forging the country forward and my worry is that we seem to be having a claw back. It reminds me of recently when we went for a Women's Forum in Rwanda and we met this Caucasian woman who is in her mid-30s. When she was introduced to Senator Catherine Mumma and I she burst out crying. We did not know what to do with her and then we asked her what her problem was and she said she was so frustrated. According to her, we make 10 steps forward and 15 steps backwards with regard to the women's agenda. I told her not to be worried. We may appear to be doing so, but there are small gains that we are The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1404492,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404492/?format=json","text_counter":276,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Suba North, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona","speaker":null,"content":"making. Can we, as a country, lead by example? Let us be the example in Africa by showing that we can make strides where other countries are stagnated or are going back. Please. Hon. Baya, this is a good Bill but reconsider the issues that will keep us in a rut where others want to now grab because it is their time to eat. I support with amendments."},{"id":1404493,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404493/?format=json","text_counter":277,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Mwashako Dan."},{"id":1404494,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404494/?format=json","text_counter":278,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Wundanyi, WDM","speaker_title":"Hon. Danson Mwashako","speaker":null,"content":" Asante Mhe. Naibu Spika. Masuala ya ardhi ni masuala nyeti ambayo Bunge la Taifa likipata nafasi ya kuyajadili, ni muhimu sana tuwe na watu wengi ambao wanazungumzia masuala haya. Kwanza nampongeza Mhe. Owen Baya ambaye ameleta Mswada huu kubadilisha kipengele cha 14 cha Sheria ya Tume ya Kitaifa ya Ardhi, kinachosema kwamba tume ilikuwa na miaka mitano pekee kuangazia dhulma za kihistoria kuhusiana na mashamba. Mhe. Naibu Spika wa Muda, masuala ya mashamba ni mazito. Wenzangu, ikiwemo Mbunge wa Malindi, wamechangia Mswada huu na ni vizuri sana umeletwa na Mbunge wa Pwani. Hii ni kwa sababu sisi tumepata shida zaidi kuliko wenzetu wa sehemu zingine za Kenya. Dhulma za mashamba za kihistoria zimekuwa donda sugu kwetu. Nikikupatia tu mfano mdogo, kando na mashamba ambayo yalichukuliwa na wazungu ama mabwenyenye, kuna mashamba ambayo yalichukuliwa hata na idara za Serikali. Kama mfano, Shirika la Wanyama Pori (KWS). Kule Taita Taveta, KWS ilichukua asilimia 62 ya shamba la Taita Taveta. Idara ya Magereza pia ilichukua mashamba mengi sana. Si Taita Taveta peke yake lakini ninajua ndani ya nchi yetu imechukua mashamba makubwa. Ukiangalia sana, mashamba yale yaliyochukuliwa na KWS na Idara ya Magereza na mashirika mengine, yamebaki hata bila kutumika ilhali wananchi wanakosa sehemu za kufanyia maendeleo. Tunavyojua ni kwamba shamba ndio kiungo muhimu sana katika uzalishaji wa mapato nchini. Kwa hivyo, kuendelea kuipatia fursa Tume ya Mashamba nchini ili kuangazia changamoto zilizoletwa na mashamba yaliyochukuliwa kinyume cha sheria na dhulma ambazo zimekuja kupitia mambo haya ya mashamba, ni jambo la kuungwa mkono. Kwa hivyo, mimi naunga mkono sheria hii. Kuna mabwenyenye ambao walichukua mashamba lakini hata leo, hawayafanyii chochote na nchi yetu tumekuwa tukitafuta sana jinsi ya kuongeza mapato ya nchi. Kando na kuongeza muda wa kuchunguza mambo haya, Bunge hili liweze kuangazia sana jambo la ushuru wa mashamba unaojulikana kwa Kizungu kama"},{"id":1404495,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404495/?format=json","text_counter":279,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Idle Land Tax."},{"id":1404496,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404496/?format=json","text_counter":280,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Wundanyi, WDM","speaker_title":"Hon. Danson Mwashako","speaker":null,"content":"Wale walio na mashamba makubwa na hawayafanyi chochote, hawazalishi chakula, hawapati watu wafanye biashara, waweze kutozwa ushuru mwingi ili waweze kutumia mashamba yale. Maanake wengi wameyashikilia tu na baadaye wanauza na kupata pesa nyingi na pia wanakosa kuchangia katika kikapu cha Serikali cha mapato. Mhe. Naibu Spika, kuna mashamba matatu ambayo yanatusumbua sana pale kwetu Taita Taveta. Kando na kusumbua, wananchi wanalalamika sana maanake mpaka leo hatuna uhakika mashamba yale yalichukuliwa vipi na kama wale ambao wanayamiliki wanayatumia vipi. Kuna shamba pale kwangu Wundanyi linaloitwa Kedai Estate ambalo lilikua shamba la makonge miaka iliyopita na limekaa bila kutumika kwa muda mrefu. Shamba lile linasemekana kwamba liliuzwa. Ni shamba la ekari 10,000 na shambani mle tayari shule zimejengwa. Kuna shule mbili ndani. Kuna watu karibu 6,000 lakini kila mara wananchi wakiwa pale wana wasiwasi kwamba watafurushwa. Shamba lingine ambalo leo limeleta tumbo joto kule Taita Taveta ni shamba la makonge linaloitwa Taita Estate. Mhe. Spika wa Muda, wenye shamba lile wako na hatimiliki za kuonyesha kuwa walinunua shamba hilo lakini bado wananchi wanalalamika sana kwa sababu makonge yamepandwa kwenye ekari 33 kule Mwatate. Imefika kipindi sasa wenyewe wamekata ekari 3,000 ambazo wanataka kuwauzia wananchi. Lakini wananchi hawaelewi kwa nini shamba lile lilichukuliwa kutoka kwa wananchi wa Taita Taveta. Ni vipi leo litauziwa watu wale wale wa Taita Taveta? The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1404497,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404497/?format=json","text_counter":281,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Wundanyi, WDM","speaker_title":"Hon. Danson Mwashako","speaker":null,"content":"Hata tunapoiongezea muda Tume ya Ardhi ni lazima pia wao wawajibike kwa sababu kuchanganyikiwa kwingi kwenye mambo ya mashamba nchini kumesababishwa na hii tume ya NLC. Mara nyinyi tukiwaita waje wawafafanulie wananchi mambo ya mashamba yaliyochukuliwa kutoka kwao ilhali wanasema kuwa wako na hati miliki, watu wa NLC huwa wanachelewa. Hawataki kuja kukutana na wananchi ili wawaelezee kinaga ubaga kuhusu msimamo wa sheria kuhusu shamba lile. Kwa hivyo, tunapowaongezea muda wa kuchunguza mambo haya, ni lazima pia wawajibike katika utendakazi wao. Nimeandika barua kutoka kwa ofisi yangu na ninawatarajia waje kuwaona wananchi kule Taita Taveta ili wawaeleze haswa msimamo wa serikali na tume ile kuhusu shamba la Taita Estate. Ikiwa wananchi watalazimika kuwekeza fedha ili wanunue shamba lile, wawe na uhakika kuwa wanafanya jambo ambalo liko sawa kisheria. Kama kuna tatizo la umiliki wa shamba lile, basi NLC ije na iseme wazi kuwa kuna shida. Lakini wakiwacha watu in abeyance na hatujui ukweli uko wapi, basi wanatuchanganya. Tulipotangaza rasmi Katiba mpya mwaka wa 2010, muda wa lease wa mashamba wa miaka 999 ulipunguzwa mpaka miaka 99 lakini bado kuna mashamba mengi ambayo mpaka leo hatuna uhakika kuhusu umiliki wao kwa sababu wenyewe wanauza shamba hizo. Kwa sababu wale wanaouziwa shamba hizo hawafuatilii sheria sana, wananunua shamba ambazo miaka ya lease iliyobaki ni kidogo. Kwa hivyo, hii NLC ina nafasi kubwa ya kutatua shida za shamba nchini. Ninaunga mkono Mswada huu kwa sababu ninajua tumepata shida, hasa watu wangu. Watu wa Pwani na sehemu nyingine nchini Kenya wamepata shida. Kuna hatimiliki zilizotolewa na Wizara ya Ardhi kisha, NLC wakasema kuwa hatimiliki hizo sio sawa. Ni lazima Wizara ya Ardhi na NLC wajifunze kufanya kazi pamoja ili wasiwachanganye wananchi. Tuna title deeds ambazo NLC waliandika barua na kusema kuwa ni fake, lakini tukienda kwa Wizara, wanatuambia title deed s ziko sawa. Ni lazima Serikali ya Kenya Kwanza itoe mwelekeo. Mheshimiwa Owen yuko hapa. Kuna titles ambazo zimekataliwa na NLC, na kuna zile ambazo Wizara imesema ziko sawa. For us to solve maswala ya shamba, ni lazima Kenya Kwanza comes up with a clear land policy ya kusema kuwa questionable titles zirudishwe, na watoe msimamo kamili wa Serikali ili wananchi waelewe maswala haya yataenda vipi. Hivi karibuni, nyumba za watu zilibomolewa kule Voi. Watu wa Msambweni walivunjiwa nyumba zao kwa sababu mwenye ardhi hana hatimiliki. Wananchi walijulishwa kuwa Serikali inafuatilia maswala hayo. Ilipofika siku ya kubomoa nyumba, Kamishna wa Kaunti na wakubwa wa polisi walikuja na bunduki na kusimamia ubomoaji huo. Ninataka kukashifu swala hilo ingawa lilipita. Korti inapopeana ruhusa ya kubomoa nyumba za watu, Kamishna Wa Kaunti, vyombo vya Serikali na Wizara husika hawana ruhusa ya kuja na bunduki na kutishia wananchi wanapotoa vitu vyao pole pole. Wanapaswa kuketi na mwenye shamba na kuzungumza naye. Maswala haya ni lazima …."},{"id":1404498,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404498/?format=json","text_counter":282,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) spoke off the record)"},{"id":1404499,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404499/?format=json","text_counter":283,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Wundanyi, WDM","speaker_title":"Hon. Danson Mwashako","speaker":null,"content":"Ahsante sana, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Ningekupa kura yangu kama ungekuwa unagombea kiti cha urais. Mhe. Spika wa Muda, tumepoteza watu kule Msambweni. Nilikuwa pale siku ya ubomoaji wa nyumba. Waliosimamia ubomoaji ule ni polisi waliokuja na wakubwa wa polisi na Kamishna wa Kaunti. Watu walikuwa wanasumbuka, wanalalamika, na kupata shida lakini wale ambao walipewa nafasi ya kuweka usalama walikuwa wameketi pale na kuruhusu ubomoaji wa nyumba za watu. Ninataka kukemea visa hivyo. Rais William Ruto alisema kuwa akiwa mamlakani, nyumba za watu hazitabomolewa. Ninataka Mhe. Owen amkumbushe Rais kuwa alisema nyumba za watu hazitabomolewa tena. Tunaomba kuwa jambo lililotendeka pale Msambweni, Voi lisiwahi kutendeka kwingine. Watu wa Voi bado wana wasiwasi kuwa The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1404500,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404500/?format=json","text_counter":284,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Wundanyi, WDM","speaker_title":"Hon. Danson Mwashako","speaker":null,"content":"nyumba zao zitabomolewa. Rais anapaswa aseme vile alivyosema juzi – kuwa hakutakuwa tena na mauaji nchini Kenya. Rais anapaswa aseme clearly kuwa hakutakuwa tena na ubomoaji wa nyumba."}]}