{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138810","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=138808","results":[{"id":1404501,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404501/?format=json","text_counter":285,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Hon. Mwiti, Member for South Imenti."},{"id":1404502,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404502/?format=json","text_counter":286,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"South Imenti, JP","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) Shadrack Mwiti","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to contribute to this very important Bill. I will start by thanking Hon. Baya for bringing this Bill. This is the right time. The Bill is long overdue since land is very important in this country. This Bill seeks to enable the Commission to direct the Registrar to revoke title deeds that have been illegally acquired. Some people have unlawfully acquired land and we would like the land to be given back to its rightful owners. This Bill will help to ensure that those who unlawfully acquired land do not get away with it. Also, justice shall be served according to the law. Some people invaded certain areas and grabbed land. This Bill will direct the Registrar to revoke title deeds that were unlawfully acquired hence the families of the aggrieved will get their land back as they are supposed to. The Bill will also give the Commission an opportunity to investigate all historical land injustices. I am convinced that there are many land injustices in Kenya. The Bill also seeks to enable the Commission to investigate historical land injustices and recommend their appropriate redress. This will ensure that the aggrieved families which suffered because of historical land injustices possess it from generation to generation. Finally, justice will be served. Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is also very important to know that there is the issue of people who may have lost their documents. Those people do not have access to their documents or they were not aware of the documents at that particular time. The issue will be revisited and they will get their land back. The documents will be traced and the ownership of the land will be reassessed. This is very important. We know quite a number of people who lost land because of lack of documents. However, we would like to emphasise that the title deeds that are owned must be investigated well so that people do not lose their land. A title deed is not just a piece of paper. We fear that influential people may state that it is not a necessary document. Lastly, I support this Bill because it does not result in additional public expenditure. It is crucial at this time. We are in the process of economic recovery as a nation. There are no expenses that will be incurred because the same officers will be used. It is also very important for the NLC to look at various documents critically. With those remarks, I support this Bill."},{"id":1404503,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404503/?format=json","text_counter":287,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Where is Hon. Gikaria?"},{"id":1404504,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404504/?format=json","text_counter":288,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Nakuru Town East, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. David Gikaria","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to contribute to this Bill."},{"id":1404505,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404505/?format=json","text_counter":289,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Hon. Gikaria will be followed by Hon. Siyoi. Proceed."},{"id":1404506,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404506/?format=json","text_counter":290,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Nakuru Town East, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. David Gikaria","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Speaker, I have looked at the Memorandum of Objects and Reasons of this Bill. I take this opportunity to thank my brother and leader, Hon. Owen Baya, for bringing this very important legislative proposal that cuts across the whole country, particularly on land matters. People who come from the Rift Valley Region have had this problem since Independence. The NLC was created by the Constitution of Kenya 2010 to address public land matters. We thought it would bring a lot of changes."},{"id":1404507,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404507/?format=json","text_counter":291,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Nakuru Town East, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. David Gikaria","speaker":null,"content":"As it has been said by the members who have contributed before me, we also need to be cautious on the members of this Commission. As Hon. Millie had indicated earlier, we The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1404508,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404508/?format=json","text_counter":292,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Nakuru Town East, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. David Gikaria","speaker":null,"content":"should not leave them to work without any restriction on time limits. It is important to note that the commissioners have a constitutional responsibility to address land matters without favouring anybody. I come from a county where NLC sits on Mondays and makes a decision. They sit two months after and make a completely different decision from the one they made earlier. You wonder what informs them to come up with two very distinct decisions regarding the same parcel of land. The law has given them that responsibility. It is good for them to be objective and fair to each and every party who comes with any land complaint."},{"id":1404509,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404509/?format=json","text_counter":293,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Nakuru Town East, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. David Gikaria","speaker":null,"content":"At the same time, as Parliament, we must also ask ourselves whether we sometimes legislate on matters that are unconstitutional. Do we approve them without looking at them critically? Article 67(2)(e) of the Constitution says that the function of the NLC is to initiate investigations on its own initiative or on a complaint, into present or historical land injustices, and recommend appropriate redress. Where did this time limit come from? The Constitution is very open that they can initiate investigations on their own or upon receiving a complaint into present or historical land injustices. We need to ask ourselves what historical land injustices are. How many years become historical? Do we treat a land injustice that has been there for 40 years as historical or present issue? It is important for us to address constitutional issues. As Members of Parliament, we are not supposed to make unconstitutional legislations. As indicated in Article 67(2)(e) of the Constitution, we should not have time limits. We should allow the NLC to do its work. After the promulgation of the Constitution of Kenya 2010, we went to Nakuru County. Unfortunately, there are many land cases from there. As my brother from Matuga Constituency indicated earlier, sometimes you do not know whether you should follow the Ministry of Lands, Housing and Urban Development, which issues title deeds to respective individuals; or the NLC, which says the issued title deeds are fake or just pieces of paper. It is unfortunate when we have such kind of disputes and long litigation processes that go on for over 40 years. For instance, if you go to Naivasha, there is a case that has been in court for the last 30 years. The court has not made any decision. It is important for the NLC to take up its role and address land matters, so that we stop these litigations that continue in the Environment and Land Court forever. With those few remarks, I support the Bill. However, we should not put time limits on constitutional issues like the NLC. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."},{"id":1404510,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1404510/?format=json","text_counter":294,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Trans Nzoia County, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Lilian Siyoi","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me a chance to support the Bill brought by Hon. Baya. I support it because land matters affect our country. I want to give a good example of Trans Nzoia County. There is a piece of land belonging to Kenya Prisons Service that was allocated to some individuals in Trans Nzoia County. These people have suffered. I feel that we will be doing injustice to a number of people in Kenya if we put time limit to the work of the NLC. We should remove the time limit and give them time and powers to execute their duties as mandated so that we deal with land injustices in Kenya. People have suffered because it takes a number of years before their cases are heard. I do not know whether this has been indicated here. I feel that the NLC could be given powers to fast track the reviews they are doing for the people affected. People’s properties are being demolished yet they have spent a lot of money to construct them. These people have been allocated these lands and they have been there for a very long time. After some time, you come to realise that these people are being evacuated and displaced from those places. Nobody cares about them. There is no compensation. That is why I support the idea that the NLC should be given mandate to manage public land and help members of the public get justice. I also support because I realised that people have been given original title deeds acquired from the Ministry of Lands, with signatures of land registrars. Later, you are told the The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"}]}