{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=139256","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=139254","results":[{"id":1408961,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1408961/?format=json","text_counter":89,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Tharaka, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. George Murugara","speaker":null,"content":"accounting officer? Truly, a Cabinet Secretary is not an accounting officer. He is not responsible for approvals that have been enumerated here and as such, we have brought the Cabinet Secretary before this House where we are being asked to guillotine him. I also urge the House to reject the said process. We have also been told that in as much as we cannot say it, the matter is sub judice before Parliament, and my submission before the House is that the matter is ceased by Parliament because it is premature. This is because it was brought to the House, committed to the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock which is still working on it. We are also informed that there are other Government agencies that are investigating the matter. The net effect is that the results of these investigations may exonerate that Cabinet Secretary. Therefore, if this House proceeds with the Motion as it is, there is a likelihood of us making a premature decision – guillotining. Hon. Members, as we debate, we must also confine ourselves to the provisions of the Constitution and other laws so that we do not execute an unjust matter before the House. What would happen if…"},{"id":1408962,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1408962/?format=json","text_counter":90,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Rarieda, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo","speaker":null,"content":" On a point of order, Hon. Speaker."},{"id":1408963,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1408963/?format=json","text_counter":91,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Hon. Murugara, there is a point of order from Hon. Otiende Amollo."},{"id":1408964,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1408964/?format=json","text_counter":92,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Rarieda, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I have laboured to listen to my Chairman, as he made his submissions on this point. He has made two points which essentially, questions the directions of the Speaker on this matter. He has made submissions on the admissibility of the affidavits and the debate, on account of the fact that it is before a Committee which is junior to the House. Is it in order for my Chairman, Hon. Murugara, to question your admission of this matter to debate? Thank you, Hon. Speaker."},{"id":1408965,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1408965/?format=json","text_counter":93,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Applause)"},{"id":1408966,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1408966/?format=json","text_counter":94,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Hon. Murugara."},{"id":1408967,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1408967/?format=json","text_counter":95,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Tharaka, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. George Murugara","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. Under the Standing Orders, what the Hon. Speaker did was to look at the Motion as it was presented before him. He may not have gone into the nitty-gritty of how the affidavits and the rest of the evidence was introduced because he was not required to do so by the Constitution and the law. It is during the debate that we get an opportunity to demonstrate to the House the loopholes and shortfalls as far as this Petitioned is concerned. What the Hon. Speaker is required to do is to glimpse over the grounds, affidavits and confirm whether it meets the threshold. That threshold in itself is not conclusive that all the matters appertained herein, have been examined. And as you rightly say, as the Chairperson of the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee, I have the responsibility to draw to this House various Statutes which may have been breached. I also have the responsibility to draw to the attention of the House if there are any constitutional contraventions. Hon. Speaker, before the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock, is an investigation by this House and if not all, most of the matters that are in this Motion. Therefore, can this House proceed with this Motion when the investigation is ongoing and a report is awaited? I may not be able to call upon the Speaker to make a ruling now. However, I call upon the House to reject this Motion because of the fact that this House is seized of the same matter and we await an outcome through a parliamentary Report that will be tabled here. We will report and make our recommendations in it."},{"id":1408968,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1408968/?format=json","text_counter":96,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Tharaka, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. George Murugara","speaker":null,"content":"The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1408969,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1408969/?format=json","text_counter":97,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Tharaka, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. George Murugara","speaker":null,"content":"With those very many remarks and because of the faults in this Motion, I urge the House to reject it. I oppose. Thank you."},{"id":1408970,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1408970/?format=json","text_counter":98,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Leader of the Minority Party. Order, Leader of the Minority Party and Leader of the Majority Party. You have 15 minutes each. The rest of the Members have 10 minutes each. You should yield the ground to other Members in the event you exhaust your argument under 10 minutes."}]}