{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=139701","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=139699","results":[{"id":1413411,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413411/?format=json","text_counter":467,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. T.J. Kajwang’ and Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off the record)"},{"id":1413412,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413412/?format=json","text_counter":468,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kirinyaga County, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Njeri Maina","speaker":null,"content":"The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1413413,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413413/?format=json","text_counter":469,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Peter Kaluma","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":1565,"legal_name":"George Peter Opondo Kaluma","slug":"george-peter-opondo-kaluma"},"content":" Did I hear Hon. T.J. Kajwang’?"},{"id":1413414,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413414/?format=json","text_counter":470,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ruaraka, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. T.J. Kajwang’","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Speaker, I plead that the Motion be amended to include the words “subject to recommittal of amendments to Sections 2, 7 and 8 of the National Government Co-ordination Act, 2013 (No.1 of 2013)”. We came here to debate. We are national leaders who are representatives of the National Assembly. We came here with open minds to share our views, whether they are of the majority or the minority. Of course, the majority will take the day, but the minority will have their say. The amendments were moved together as a “suit” such that the Mover was allowed to simultaneously move amendments to Sections 2, 7 and 8. While some of us do not have adverse views about Section 2, others could have opinions on Sections 7 or 8. All we ask is that the amendments be debated separately so that Section 2, which concerns the Chief Administrative Secretaries (CAS), is considered on its own. I also want to be a CAS one day. However, I have a problem with Sections 7 and 8, which propose concentrating powers in the Office of the Head of the Public Service, who would at the same time be the Chief of Staff of the President. Those are different rubrics and they are unconstitutional. We may approve those amendments today, but they will come back to haunt us. One person goes through the rigours of the Office of the Head of the Public Service, while another is a mtu wa mkono for the President. The President appoints his chief of staff. How will we oversee that office as a House? How will we oversee a chief of staff who has been appointed by the President? That is the point I am making. Could we recommit that Section to the Committee so that we can debate it, whether we are in the minority or the majority? Let the majority have their way, but let the minority be heard."},{"id":1413415,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413415/?format=json","text_counter":471,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Peter Kaluma","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":1565,"legal_name":"George Peter Opondo Kaluma","slug":"george-peter-opondo-kaluma"},"content":" Hon. Kajwang’, I will give other Members an opportunity to speak to the matter you are raising, since I have proposed the Question. You are an old Member of the House. I request you to approach the Clerks-at-the- Table so that if you intend to recommit that section, you are fully compliant with the provisions of the Standing Orders on recommittal. I do not think that should be a problem. Ultimately, the House makes decisions by voting. Does it not? Hon. Millie Odhiambo."},{"id":1413416,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413416/?format=json","text_counter":472,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Suba North, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I can see Hon. Ichung’wah trying to intimidate me, but I cannot be intimidated. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity, and for following House procedures. I also thank the Whip of the Majority Party for doing a good job of whipping Members to come in, so that they can do what is expected on the Floor of the House, which is defeating us with numbers. However, that can never take away my right of representation. What happened earlier on is shameful in a democratic country. You cannot deny Members a chance to speak to a Bill. The Leader of the Majority Party is lucky because I am not passionate about this Bill. If somebody goes to court on this Bill, it should go on record that we were denied a chance to speak to it, but not vote."},{"id":1413417,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413417/?format=json","text_counter":473,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kikuyu, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah","speaker":null,"content":" On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker."},{"id":1413418,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413418/?format=json","text_counter":474,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Suba North, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am on a point of order. We were denied a chance to speak, even after we had followed the procedure. I had inserted my card, but was denied a chance. Hon. T.J. was denied a chance to speak because he did not have a card. I have it and I had logged in for intervention and a chance to speak. However, the Hon. Temporary Chairlady refused to give me a chance. As much as she is my friend, she has embarrassed me today. There is so far the majority party can go. Even when you have the numbers, use it by following what is provided constitutionally. You cannot deny me a chance to speak. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1413419,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413419/?format=json","text_counter":475,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Suba North, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona","speaker":null,"content":"I told Hon. Ichung’wah what some of the Members from his side are saying quietly. He is very dictatorial and denies Members a chance to speak. Let Members in this House be. There are very intelligent Members who have degrees, but you make them look like vegetables. They cannot contribute in this House. What are we turning the National Assembly to? It is becoming a joke. That is why some of us are hardly here. Let this House be one of debate, representation and oversight. Members cannot come here and then you make them look like flower girls. We refuse to be flower girls and to be intimidated. I come here to contribute. Let me do so, at the time I press my button. This is a joke. Do not make this House a joke."},{"id":1413420,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413420/?format=json","text_counter":476,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off the record)"}]}