{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=139745","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=139743","results":[{"id":1413851,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413851/?format=json","text_counter":203,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Thank you very much, Hon. Nyikal. I have a brief that the matter you are raising is active before the Public Petitions Committee of the House. This week on Tuesday, the Vice-Chairperson gave an update on the same subject. I am sure you were listening to the Leader of the Majority Party as he gave the Statement for next week. On Wednesday, the Cabinet Secretary for Health is scheduled to appear before this House. You will get an opportunity to prosecute that matter on the Floor of the House. That is the brief I have."},{"id":1413852,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413852/?format=json","text_counter":204,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Loud consultations)"},{"id":1413853,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413853/?format=json","text_counter":205,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Several Hon. Members rose on points of order)"},{"id":1413854,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413854/?format=json","text_counter":206,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1413855,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413855/?format=json","text_counter":207,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Obviously, I will give the first opportunity to Dr. Nyikal."},{"id":1413856,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413856/?format=json","text_counter":208,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Seme, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Speaker, that is improper. First of all, it is out of order and this matter is not procedural. If there was a change, it should have been raised at the time of Notices of Motions. The worst bit is that I was informed it was approved. The Deputy Speaker told me that she had approved it, but other considerations came later. What considerations are coming after it was approved? They should have come before. You have said that this matter will be discussed on Wednesday when the Cabinet Secretary for Health will appear here. This will help to inform her what Kenyans want. My Motion of Adjournment was to discuss the health workers’ strike. What we would have said would have helped the Cabinet Secretary while answering. Why has it been found necessary to keep it after approval? You have said that it is before the Public Petitions Committee. It is still more useful because Members of that Committee would have been informed by what Members of Parliament think. That would have been part of their consideration. This is a matter of national crisis and importance. The whole country is asking: “Where is Parliament?” This would have given us an opportunity to state what they think. We are stuck with the issue of calling interns students without thinking of a way out. The Government does not have to always pay interns. There is a way this can be done. In 2000, we only had eight hospitals taking students, and then we opened up. The Ministry of Health is not the only one that is employing medical interns. Private hospitals like the Aga Khan University Hospital (AKUH), AIC Kijabe Hospital, Tenwek Hospital and Karen Hospital are employing and paying them. Why do we not want this to be heard by the country? I want you to allow it and let the Members say that they do not want to discuss it. I am still asking for the Motion of Adjournment. If we do not get 20 Members in support as required, I will raise my hands up because that is the procedure. I cannot be gagged. This week, as I was raising it, the Speaker literally cut me off and suggested that I should bring the matter today; which I did. Why am I being gagged?"},{"id":1413857,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413857/?format=json","text_counter":209,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, that matter is not on the Order Paper. I gave you an opportunity because you raised an intervention. I have said it is already active in the Public Petitions Committee. It was presented on 7th March 2024 by Hon. (Dr) Pukose, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health. It is Public Petition No.6 of 2024 regarding delays in posting of medical interns, absorption of Universal Health Coverage (UHC) contract staff, conclusion of Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBAs) and recognition of agreement in the health sector in the country. It was done on behalf of the representatives of the health sectors unions, societies and associations. You can see that it is exactly the same subject. As I have said, this matter is already active in the Public Petitions Committee. Hon. (Dr) Pukose…"},{"id":1413858,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413858/?format=json","text_counter":210,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Loud consultations)"},{"id":1413859,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413859/?format=json","text_counter":211,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"With all due respect, you can appear before the Public Petitions Committee. Also, the Statement that the Leader of the Majority Party has just tabled states that the Cabinet Secretary for Health will be here on Wednesday. Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, you will get an opportunity to prosecute this matter extensively. Thank you."},{"id":1413860,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1413860/?format=json","text_counter":212,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Tharaka, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. George Murugara","speaker":null,"content":" On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker."}]}