{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=139803","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=139801","results":[{"id":1414431,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1414431/?format=json","text_counter":170,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Question of the amendment proposed)"},{"id":1414432,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1414432/?format=json","text_counter":171,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Martha Wangari","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairlady","speaker":{"id":13123,"legal_name":"Martha Wangari","slug":"martha-wangari"},"content":" Hon. Oundo."},{"id":1414433,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1414433/?format=json","text_counter":172,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Funyula, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want Hon. Chepkong’a and Hon. Murugara to listen carefully. We must never legislate in vain. The Bill of Rights allows access to the court of law, and there should be no impediments to access the courts of law. Any Bill that purports to limit access to courts of law is essentially unconstitutional. I understand where the Leader of the Majority Party is coming from, which is to avoid frivolous applications to the courts and to avoid situations where we waste time. However, The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1414434,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1414434/?format=json","text_counter":173,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Funyula, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo","speaker":null,"content":"legislating any measures to gag access to a court of law is unconstitutional. We have fought for free access to the courts of law for many years. Please, the two of you are eminent lawyers. You must seriously look at this particular amendment to avoid a situation that obviously makes a mockery of a legislative making process. Honestly speaking, review this. This is gagging members of wherever. It is unprofessional. In any case, Hon. Speaker, the place of legislation does not always mean you end up being successful. Honestly speaking, how? Hon. Nyikal, how?"},{"id":1414435,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1414435/?format=json","text_counter":174,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Martha Wangari","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairlady","speaker":{"id":13123,"legal_name":"Martha Wangari","slug":"martha-wangari"},"content":" Hon. Members, kindly use your cards on interventions. Hon. Chepkong’a."},{"id":1414436,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1414436/?format=json","text_counter":175,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ainabkoi, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Samuel Chepkong’a","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I sympathise with my very good friend, Prof. Oundo. There is a plethora of cases where it has been decided that, if there is an internal resolution mechanism, you first go there. Even if you went to court today, they would tell you to go back. If there is an arbitration clause, it is something that is known. We have made it clear that you do not need to go to court. You first need to exhaust the internal mechanisms of resolving the disputes between the Houses. In fact, it is good for you so that we do not need to wash our dirty linen in court, which is outside our Houses. Why do you want someone else to decide on our issues?"},{"id":1414437,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1414437/?format=json","text_counter":176,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Martha Wangari","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairlady","speaker":{"id":13123,"legal_name":"Martha Wangari","slug":"martha-wangari"},"content":" You have made your point, Hon. Chepkong’a. Hon. Member for Ndhiwa."},{"id":1414438,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1414438/?format=json","text_counter":177,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ndhiwa, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Martin Owino","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Chepkong’a, we want this to be good, but this is very dangerous. For example, if a court is satisfied, where is the mechanism that will tell us that between these two Houses…? Sometimes, these things are driven by interests. Delays can also be there. We are talking of a mechanism which is not even there to be depended upon. This is dangerous. Please drop this. It will not help us, as a House."},{"id":1414439,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1414439/?format=json","text_counter":178,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to)"},{"id":1414440,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1414440/?format=json","text_counter":179,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Clause 20 as amended agreed to)"}]}