{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=139900","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=139898","results":[{"id":1415401,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1415401/?format=json","text_counter":146,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Deputy Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Hon. David Ochieng’, Member for Ugenya."},{"id":1415402,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1415402/?format=json","text_counter":147,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ugenya, MDG","speaker_title":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker":{"id":2955,"legal_name":"David Ouma Ochieng'","slug":"david-ouma-ochieng"},"content":" Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank Hon. Chepkong’a for coming up with this Bill. In its entire existence of over 200 years, the US Senate and US House of Representatives have never taken each other to court. Whenever any one of them tries to do so, the courts recuse themselves in all situations. It is a wonder that in the last 12 years, we have seen so much litigation, most of the time originating from the Senate, on matters that could be resolved amongst ourselves without bringing in a third party."},{"id":1415403,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1415403/?format=json","text_counter":148,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ugenya, MDG","speaker_title":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker":{"id":2955,"legal_name":"David Ouma Ochieng'","slug":"david-ouma-ochieng"},"content":"There have also been situations where this House guides the Senate and vice versa, sometimes in words and manners that do not promote amity and comity of working together as the two Houses. That is why I believe this Bill is very important in deciding how best these two Houses are going to work. There have been situations where the Senate thinks it is a superior House. In fact, there is a situation where we have encouraged forum shopping. People think that when you go to the Senate, you get a better result than when you come to the National Assembly and vice versa . The recent example is the issue of Shakahola. In my opinion, there was no iota of jurisdiction, authority or legal power on the Senate to engage on the matter. But before the competent committees of the National Assembly could get into the matter, the Senate had already set up a special committee on matters they have no competence on and on matters that they could not force anybody to act on anything. So, the National Assembly is left back- handed and yet, it has the instruments and should be able to deal with that. I believe that once this Bill is passed - and I am happy that the two Speakers we have today - one having been a governor and the other a senator - understand what needs to be done. We hope that when this is passed, other things will be done. I could not agree with Hon. Pukose more. If you look at the Fourth Schedule of the Constitution, there is so much that needs to be done by the Senators to promote and enhance devolution, and you wonder why they want to put their fingers on matters that do not concern them at all. Currently, there is a lot of corruption in the counties. Last week, I remember saying that county assemblies cannot pass a Bill on housing. It is the same thing because the Senate has refused to go out of its way to legislate on matters that are spelt out in the Fourth Schedule. In fact, they should make model laws for all the county assemblies to follow in areas like health, agriculture, water, sports and housing. But all the time, they are busy on matters that do not concern them at all. I hope that with the passage of this Bill, everyone will know their lane and where there are issues, people will resolve them in a manner that promotes the good sense of these Houses. As I finalise, I want to make a request to our courts. Our courts are too eager to engage in matters that do not concern them. Our courts are trigger-happy such that every time someone goes to court on a matter touching on Parliament, they are like a fish that has seen a hook and sinker. There is no single day that our courts have recused themselves on matters that are touching on Parliament. Never! I request our courts to understand that there are matters where intervention is not required. No one has ever questioned why someone goes to court over Bills The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"},{"id":1415404,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1415404/?format=json","text_counter":149,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Ugenya, MDG","speaker_title":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker":{"id":2955,"legal_name":"David Ouma Ochieng'","slug":"david-ouma-ochieng"},"content":"that we have passed but, when it comes to matters concerning these two Houses - their procedures and how they relate - it should be left to the good sense of the two Speakers and now, the good sense of the law that we are going to pass this morning to ensure that the independence of Parliament is sustained. For last 12 years, we have clawed back on the powers and privileges of Parliament that I hope that this Bill is able to return them. I support."},{"id":1415405,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1415405/?format=json","text_counter":150,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Deputy Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Hon. Kassim Tandaza, Member for Matuga."},{"id":1415406,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1415406/?format=json","text_counter":151,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Matuga, ANC","speaker_title":"Hon. Kassim Tandaza","speaker":null,"content":" Ahsante Bi Naibu wa Spika kwa kunipatia fursa hii ili niweze kuchangia katika huu Mswada muhimu. Kwanza nimpatie kongole Mhe Chepkong’a kwa kuuleta Mswada huu. Ukiangalia majukumu ya Seneti kama Katiba inavyosema, hakuna haja ya wakili kuweza kupambanua. Wao wanatakikana washugulikie masuala ya kaunti na jingine na endapo kutakuwa na mswada wa kuweza kumng’oa rais na naibu wake, hapo ndipo masuala kama hayo yanafika kwa Seneti. Lakini kwa hivi sasa, ni jambo la kuhuzunisha kwamba Seneti imeweza kuunda kamati sawia na zile za Bunge hili. Sisi tukiwa takriban 300 na zaidi hapa, wao wakiwa watu 60, wameunda kamati kama zetu. Utapata inabidi Seneta akae kwa kamati nne ama tano kwa sababu wenyewe ni wachache na kamati ni nyingi. Kama mwenzangu alivyotangulia kusema, ninapoangalia Kamati walizoziunda, inaonekana kwamba labda lengo ni kuwapatia fursa ya kusafiri nje au ndani ya nchi na labda kupata marupurupu kwa hizo mikutano. Najua wao wenyewe wanajua kwamba hawana ujuzi wala nguvu yeyote ya kutekeleza majukumu hayo."},{"id":1415407,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1415407/?format=json","text_counter":152,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Gladys Boss) left the Chair)"},{"id":1415408,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1415408/?format=json","text_counter":153,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) took the Chair)"},{"id":1415409,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1415409/?format=json","text_counter":154,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Matuga, ANC","speaker_title":"Hon. Kassim Tandaza","speaker":null,"content":"Mswada huu utaweza kupeana mwelekeo na kuweka kinagaubaga kwamba hawakushurutishwa kwenda Seneti. Ikiwa wanataka majukumu zaidi, basi wanayo nafasi ya kuja Bunge ili waweze kushughulika na yale majukumu ambayo Bunge inahitajika kufanya. Lakini kwa sababu walienda Seneti kwa hiari yao, wajue kwamba wana majukumu yao ambayo pia si machache. Kama mwenzangu alivyotanguliza kusema, wao wenyewe wanayadharau. Labda wanaona hayana marupurupu ya kutosha. Matatizo ambayo yako kwa kaunti saa hii ni mengi sana. Ukiangalia masuala ya ukulima ambayo wanasema yamegatuliwa na ukulima ni uti wa mgongo wa uchumi ya Kenya, Seneti haijachukua hatua yoyote kuyatatua aidha kupitia kwa kamati ama kutengeneza sheria ambazo zitaweza kuhakikisha kwamba ukulima unafanyika, pembejeo zinapatikana na county governments wanapeana fedha za kutosha ili kusaidia wakulima. Katika zile kaunti waweze kuajiri watu wa kutosha ili kuhakikisha kwamba ukulima unafanyika na wakulima wanapata ushauri wakati unaofaa. Hawafanyi jukumu hili lao. Ajabu ni kwamba, endapo Serikali kuu ikijaribu kuwasaidia, inakua tena ni kero na kesi kwamba isifanyike. Kwa hivyo, jambo hili linafanya watu wasiweze kupata manufaa ya ugatuzi kama walivyokuwa wanatarajia. Jumba ambalo lingeweza kusawazisha mambo haya ni Jumba la Seneti. Ahsante sana, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Naunga mkono Mswada huu."},{"id":1415410,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1415410/?format=json","text_counter":155,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Tindi Mwale."}]}