{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=144479","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=144477","results":[{"id":1462972,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1462972/?format=json","text_counter":98,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mungatana, MGH","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"This Motion is so crucial that we cannot afford to let it go to a committee. I am saying this because there was a similar Motion that the National Assembly brought to impeach a Cabinet Secretary. The mood of the House in the National Assembly at that time was that the Cabinet Secretary must go, then, a select committee was chosen and came back and said that the Cabinet Secretary should stay, which was against majority of the people sitting in the House. So, let us not go that way. Let us agree on one issue; that it is too important for us to leave it to a committee, and have the proceedings in plenary. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1462973,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1462973/?format=json","text_counter":99,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mungatana, MGH","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to emphasize that it is the county assembly that impeaches, and the Senate convicts or acquits. We sit here as a court. In fact, in the United States of America (USA), during the impeachment of the President, it is the chief justice who sits in your place to do the trial of the impeachment. From the experience that we take from that side, in fact, we cannot leave this to a committee. Let us not have too much debate. Let us agree that the matter is too important for us to leave it to a committee. I support that we should have the proceeding in plenary. I thank you."},{"id":1462974,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1462974/?format=json","text_counter":100,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Sifuna, proceed."},{"id":1462975,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1462975/?format=json","text_counter":101,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13599,"legal_name":"Sifuna Edwin Watenya","slug":"sifuna-edwin-watenya"},"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, I happen to be a Member of the Senate Business Committee (SBC). There has always been debate when we come to this juncture on which of the two methods is superior. I have held the position that the committee way is a far superior way of interrogating these issues than the plenary. I have four reasons to advance in support of this thinking. First, the Senate is on recess, and I know that people had committed to do other things. It is not fair to drag the entire Senate to sit here just to listen to these allegations. Secondly, we have been with many of the people who are shouting plenary way through these processes before. You will be sitting there, and there will be three people in this Chamber. Many of them do not even sit through those proceedings as much as they want to make noise at this moment and say they want the plenary way. Thirdly, we saw some---"},{"id":1462976,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1462976/?format=json","text_counter":102,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Sifuna, your colleagues certainly cannot be said to be making noise."},{"id":1462977,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1462977/?format=json","text_counter":103,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13599,"legal_name":"Sifuna Edwin Watenya","slug":"sifuna-edwin-watenya"},"content":"You can hear them shouting, Hon. Speaker. What do you mean?"},{"id":1462978,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1462978/?format=json","text_counter":104,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" I am referring to their contribution. It cannot be termed as noise."},{"id":1462979,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1462979/?format=json","text_counter":105,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13599,"legal_name":"Sifuna Edwin Watenya","slug":"sifuna-edwin-watenya"},"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, let me proceed, Hon. Speaker. I want to address the question of interrogation and the cross-examination of witnesses. This is a frustration that Members shared last time when we had the proceedings in plenary. I have experienced both of those methods. It is my humble view that it is easier, better and there is greater opportunity to cross-examine witnesses and ask supplementary questions when you go the committee way. A question was raised on the involvement of our nominated colleagues in decision making when it comes to this issue. In my view, the nominated Senators get a greater opportunity to participate in the decision-making when they are members of a committee as opposed to plenary. At plenary, they all know that only the elected Senators will get to vote. It is something that you can also give your view. When I look at the colleagues who have been nominated to this Committee, there is Sen. Wakili Sigei, who is the Chairperson of the Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights Committee; Sen. Wamatinga, who is the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Energy; Sen. Abdul Haji, who is a Member of the Speaker’s Panel; and our fellow colleague, Sen. Wafula and Sen. Orwoba. Of course, we also have Senators from our side who include, Sen. Shakila, Sen. Betty Montet, Sen. Oketch Gicheru, Sen. Issa Boy and The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1462980,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1462980/?format=json","text_counter":106,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13599,"legal_name":"Sifuna Edwin Watenya","slug":"sifuna-edwin-watenya"},"content":"Sen. Ogola. I have all the faith that this team of 11 can execute this assignment on behalf of the House. Lastly, I join my colleague, Sen. Olekina, in saying, there is no other influence other than the evidence and allegations that is going to bear the decision of this House when we sit to determine this matter. So, people should stop sending us messages. I do not understand why people are sending us messages from Meru and all sides telling us, this is so and so---"},{"id":1462981,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1462981/?format=json","text_counter":107,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Sen. Sifuna’s microphone went off)"}]}