{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=144483","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=144481","results":[{"id":1463012,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463012/?format=json","text_counter":138,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Wakili Sigei","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to oppose the Motion to establish a special committee. I am aware that I stand a chance to chair this committee. However, the interest of the people of Meru and the entire House is paramount. Even though the hon. Members nominated to that committee are great leaders and Senators who can give us the best decision, I still believe that the best way to serve justice to the people of Meru in this Motion is to have this matter dealt with by a plenary. A plenary, with its collective wisdom and fairness, is the most crucial and effective way to address the concerns that have already been raised. The Hon. Senator from Narok, whom I know because I sit in the Senate Business Committee (SBC), has raised concerns regarding the trolling that has already occurred. The only and best way to serve this concern is to ensure that the whole House deals with this matter in a plenary session. I therefore oppose the Motion."},{"id":1463013,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463013/?format=json","text_counter":139,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Mumma, proceed."},{"id":1463014,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463014/?format=json","text_counter":140,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mumma","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to contribute. I rise to oppose the Motion. This matter should be heard in plenary because it is more serious than we think it is. It is a precedent-setting matter because Governor Kawira Mwangaza is being brought to this House for the third time. However, it is the fifth time she has been impeached. It is important, particularly during this time in the country, that we operate and discuss issues transparently. Every Senator should be given an opportunity to contribute to the allegations from an informed point of view. I suggest that every Senator prepares and reads properly. Let the Constitution and the law guide us. Let us ensure that we deliver justice in this matter to whichever of the groups that are coming. As we do so, I request that you pay attention to something Sen. Sifuna has raised. Sen. Sifuna raises the fact that the plenary may inhibit everybody's participation. As we discuss this, we should pay attention to the fact that nominated Members can also contribute to this debate even if they are not going to vote. I suggest we manage the time, so that nominated Senators are given ample time to contribute to this debate. The last time we had an impeachment by plenary, a few of us tried to put our hands up, but could not contribute. I know it might have been because of time, however, I am putting this out there, that we consider that the Senate comprises 67 Senators. I, therefore, support the plenary way."},{"id":1463015,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463015/?format=json","text_counter":141,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Kisang’, proceed."},{"id":1463016,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463016/?format=json","text_counter":142,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kisang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also rise to join my colleagues in opposing this Motion. If you remember, the last two impeachment Motions we had, the one for Kawira and the deputy governor for Kisii County, were done in plenary. Senators The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1463017,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463017/?format=json","text_counter":143,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kisang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"were able to follow the substantiation of the allegations. We made our own decisions in the two impeachments. I have experience with the committee process, which we used for the Deputy Governor of Siaya. I confess that we deliver more justice when we do it in the plenary because all the Senators will follow each allegation and make informed decisions. This is a difficult time for the Meru people. They would like to know how the two parties will defend themselves on the allegations, so that we can make an informed decision. I believe there must be another way for anybody to petition this House if they are dissatisfied with what we will have done as Senators to dissolve the county. I oppose the Motion and support the plenary way."},{"id":1463018,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463018/?format=json","text_counter":144,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Kavindu Muthama, proceed."},{"id":1463019,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463019/?format=json","text_counter":145,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Kavindu Muthama","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13733,"legal_name":"Agnes Kavindu Muthama","slug":"agnes-kavindu-muthama"},"content":"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this Motion, which I oppose. This is a sensitive and delicate matter. The governor has been brought here three times. I oppose the committee way because all Kenyans will follow what is happening in this House. It is important for it to be in plenary, so that everyone can follow what the lawyers, the governor, and the county will say and how the Senators will interrogate the matter, including the people of Meru County. I oppose the Motion and support the plenary way."},{"id":1463020,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463020/?format=json","text_counter":146,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Wamatinga, proceed. Sen. Sifuna, what is your point of order?"},{"id":1463021,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463021/?format=json","text_counter":147,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13599,"legal_name":"Sifuna Edwin Watenya","slug":"sifuna-edwin-watenya"},"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, I did not want to shout over my colleague from Machakos County. Nonetheless, I thought she was misleading the public by creating the impression that if a matter is dealt with in committee, the public cannot follow. The Constitution requires that Parliament and all its committees allow the public to follow in their proceedings. Even in impeachments done by committees, there was still live coverage of those proceedings, which were open to the public. I thought that was a misleading statement."}]}