{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=144566","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=144564","results":[{"id":1463842,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463842/?format=json","text_counter":177,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"The Member for Bondo."},{"id":1463843,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463843/?format=json","text_counter":178,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Bondo, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Gideon Ochanda","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Speaker, this is a serious menace. The whole issue of the conflict between Kenya and Uganda, particularly with our fishermen, is a menace. Once this conflict is addressed, there will be peace in the region. We should completely determine our boundaries, even if it means using a string. We can have that on the Lake so that anybody crossing from the Kenyan side to the Ugandan and vice versa knows that they are on the boundary. It is difficult for anybody to know exactly where that boundary is. What we are conflicting on is fish. Even if we have a boundary over the water, the fish in the Lake will not respect it. They will cross from left to right and from right to left. So, the most important thing is to get a harmonious way of co-existing, particularly between Kenyans and Ugandans, and more so for the people who use the resources found in the lake. This is something that has been there for long. We must get a solution to it. Thank you."},{"id":1463844,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463844/?format=json","text_counter":179,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"The Member for Seme."},{"id":1463845,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463845/?format=json","text_counter":180,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Seme, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Speaker. This is a big problem for all the people around the lake. I want to draw the attention of the House to the fact that two years ago, we passed a Bill in this House that established the Kenya Coast Guard as a unit whose functions were to guard the coast and protect fishermen. It was expected that by the time the Ugandan forces come in, they would have met our Kenya Coast Guard and resolved this issue without affecting the fishermen. What we should look at is what the Kenya Coast Guard do, particularly in Lake Victoria. It was expected that a base would be established somewhere in Busia. This is something we must address as a country."},{"id":1463846,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463846/?format=json","text_counter":181,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Lastly, Hon. Pukose. Hon. Mutunga, do you want to speak to this matter?"},{"id":1463847,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463847/?format=json","text_counter":182,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. (Dr) John KMutunga nodded in the affirmative)"},{"id":1463848,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463848/?format=json","text_counter":183,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Endebess, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The Statement sought by Hon. Catherine Omanyo, the Member for Busia County, is very serious. It needs attention. All of us who live along the borders must share resources equally without discrimination. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."},{"id":1463849,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463849/?format=json","text_counter":184,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Endebess, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose","speaker":null,"content":"We are all signatories to the East Africa Community Treaty. As East Africans, we should not have police arresting the people of Budalangi, Endebess, Funyula or Matayos. Whether they are fishermen or hunters and gatherers, they should move freely so that they get whatever resources they need. This is something that should be addressed by the Head of State of Kenya, President Ruto together with his brother, President Museveni so that this issue can be resolved once and for all. Thank you."},{"id":1463850,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463850/?format=json","text_counter":185,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Hon. Members, let us end here on this matter. Hon. Mutunga, take a minute. You will be the last one."},{"id":1463851,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1463851/?format=json","text_counter":186,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Tigania West, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) John K Mutunga","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The issue of skirmishes in Lake Victoria, especially aggression by Ugandan Government officials, is quite disturbing. We wonder why we do not hear such aggression emanating from the Kenyan security forces towards Ugandans. The last time we had an issue with the Migingo Island, there was a lot of aggression from the Ugandan Government. This matter seems to be fizzling out. Whenever it comes up, we just discuss it here and we do not take any action. We are asking the relevant institutions to take it up and deal with it to its logical conclusion. We should not forget that the Second World War was caused by a single assassination in Europe. So, the Ugandans are going too far by being aggressive against Kenyans. We are resilient and we believe in good neighbourliness and friendship. When they had problems with Idi Amin Dada, Ugandans lived in Kenya. We never killed or disturbed them. Lake Victoria water actually comes from Kenya. So, I do not know why they keep on disturbing our people when they even fish on our side of the border. This matter needs to be dealt with conclusively. Thank you."}]}