{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=144592","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=144590","results":[{"id":1464102,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1464102/?format=json","text_counter":437,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Emuhaya, ANC","speaker_title":"Hon. Omboko Milemba","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I have been waiting for long. Thank you for this opportunity. I thank the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee for moving this Bill very elaborately and clearly. It helps enlighten Kenyans that there are usually additional monies that go to counties. Many a time we do not talk about it, that is, the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill, popularly referred to as CGAA."},{"id":1464103,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1464103/?format=json","text_counter":438,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Emuhaya, ANC","speaker_title":"Hon. Omboko Milemba","speaker":null,"content":"I will confine myself to the Bill. The main aim of this Bill, from what we got from the Chairman, is to align various budget-cuts that we experienced after the fall of the Finance Bill... We had to come up with the Supplementary Estimates I to cover for allocations that Government had allocated to our county governments from the Exchequer."},{"id":1464104,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1464104/?format=json","text_counter":439,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Emuhaya, ANC","speaker_title":"Hon. Omboko Milemba","speaker":null,"content":"Firstly, this Bill speaks of monies to county governments to pay Community Health Promoters. This area is very important. The CHPs have been very motivated since the national Government reflected the 50:50 per cent support. The CHPs are doing a very good job in counties and villages. They are the people doing their job with a lot of motivation, yet with no pay. Additionally, the small bit that they are given, which is Ksh2,500 from the county government and Ksh2,500 from the national Government, has also been delayed. In fact, recently, they received a The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."},{"id":1464105,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1464105/?format=json","text_counter":440,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Emuhaya, ANC","speaker_title":"Hon. Omboko Milemba","speaker":null,"content":"little bit of the monies that have been accruing and owing to them for the last several months. This is one cadre of people I would like to protect. When the Chairman of this Committee spoke on this earlier on, he seemed to indicate that there is a cut on these monies. I wish he was here to clarify the matter. This is an area that we have to choreograph and amend so that we retain the resources that go to the human resource such as the Community Health Promoters. They are currently doing a lot of work on the ground. If we demotivate them by cutting their budget, we would lose the only bit we are remaining with on the ground. This is because county hospitals do not have drugs let alone facilities and are, therefore, not operating. So, this is the human resource that moves around the villages trying to make sure that the health sector is operational or some form of advice goes to the local mwananchi . I am taking a bit longer on this point to insist that the monies for CHPs needs to be protected. Let us not handle this the way we did with the teachers. During the Supplementary Estimates I, there was a Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) for teachers which had been agreed in court. Unfortunately, the allocation was removed and that is why Kenyan teachers may not report to schools on 26th August 2024. It was not necessary. The issue of teachers aside, we would also be risking by getting the CHPs off work. Where is the Chairman of this Committee? There were two components that were discussed. The first one was human resource and the second one, machines. My proposal to this Bill is that we reduce expenditure on machinery but retain the stipend for the CHPs so that they continue helping our people at the grassroots. The other level that this Bill talks about is the monies that go to the county governments from our other development partners. The Chairman described very well that this is not free money but loans. Hon. Temporary Speaker, did you know that we have been grappling with calculating the real debt that Kenya owes? This is because there are too many borrowings that have been done by county governments which have not been accredited to the national debt. Like Randall Robinson says in his book, The Debt: What America owes to Blacks, we are not very sure about how much our debt is. I am very happy that this Bill brings out clearly the fact that these monies from partners are loans to the Kenyan people. It is a debt which shall be paid by the entire Kenyan population. Lastly, I support the Bill on the issue of royalties and court fines. This is money that should go to the county governments. Unfortunately, it is taken to the Consolidated Fund Services (CFS) and once there, it cannot go down to counties. Hon. Temporary Speaker, because of time, let me allow other Members to speak on this issue. I support."},{"id":1464106,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1464106/?format=json","text_counter":441,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Peter Kaluma","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":1565,"legal_name":"George Peter Opondo Kaluma","slug":"george-peter-opondo-kaluma"},"content":" Hon. Njeri Maina, as you address this Bill, could you also explain the court fines. Now that the Judiciary is not devolved, how would this money go back to the county?"},{"id":1464107,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1464107/?format=json","text_counter":442,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kirinyaga County, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Njeri Maina","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The framers of the Constitution of Kenya 2010 had no intention, whatsoever, to devolve corruption and the lack of service delivery. At the outset, their intention was very pure. What we have done with the gift of devolution is to abuse it. As I support the allocation to the counties, these monies should translate to service delivery and spur economic growth at the county level. The county allocation pacts have been provided for in the Bill. It is the duty of this Government and other successive governments to ensure that we spur growth in manufacturing and value addition at the county level. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."},{"id":1464108,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1464108/?format=json","text_counter":443,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kirinyaga County, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Njeri Maina","speaker":null,"content":"County governments must think of the future and how to collect data to ensure that they match employment opportunity needs at a county level. The issues that we have now, and mostly the sky-rocketing unemployment, are not a concern for the national Government only; the county governments must also think of how they can deal with it. It goes without saying that various counties across Kenya are experiencing healthcare issues. There is lack of basic medication at county governments' Level I, II, and III facilities. In some places we have seen very good and big buildings built, launched, and public relations packaging going on. During the launches, nurses accompanied by the Governors would come with medication and medical equipment and thereafter, disappear into thin air. We must do what is right. We must ensure that our people at the local level access healthcare facilities. There are many health facilities across the country, for example, Kavoti Level I facility in Kirinyaga County and Mutivi Dispensary. As a Member of Parliament, our people ask us to ensure they have access to medical facilities and medicine. What we try to do is to show them that it is a county government function. However, enough civic education was not done for them to know the difference in roles and duties. This House demands that healthcare be sorted out. If the county governments can no longer manage healthcare, let it be the prerogative of the national Government because health is a crucial matter. You have also requested that I address the issue of the Judiciary allocation to the county governments, if I heard you right. The Chairman said that these are only emanating from fines that are confined within breach of county laws. We must demand that monies allocated to county governments translate to service delivery for our people. Thank you."},{"id":1464109,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1464109/?format=json","text_counter":444,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Peter Kaluma","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":1565,"legal_name":"George Peter Opondo Kaluma","slug":"george-peter-opondo-kaluma"},"content":" Hon. Andrew Okuome, Member for Karachuonyo."},{"id":1464110,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1464110/?format=json","text_counter":445,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Karachuonyo, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Adipo Okuome","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you for giving me this opportunity. Why was devolution created? Have we really gone anywhere with devolution or has it been a negativity? We have spent a lot of money on devolution but the results are minimal. My colleagues have mentioned, and it is true, that the impact of devolution is not commensurate with the money that has been spent on them. We know Ksh380 billion of shareable revenue is going to them. That is not a small amount of money. It is quite huge. Today, we want to give them additional allocation to cover various items which can spur development in this country. I have the industrial park in mind. There is potential in the industrial parks and they can bring about a big difference in terms of creating employment to a large number of youths. If they do not aim at this, I do not see why the money should be allocated to them."},{"id":1464111,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1464111/?format=json","text_counter":446,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Karachuonyo, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Adipo Okuome","speaker":null,"content":"I congratulate the Budget and Appropriations Committee for having thought it wise to allocate such a big amount of money to help our people to come out of the problem that we are in. We are all aware that two months ago, we encountered a problem when Gen Zs were out there in the streets. I do not need to say anything on that as we all know about it. The only thing I can add…"}]}