{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=147947","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=147945","results":[{"id":1497652,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497652/?format=json","text_counter":647,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Uasin Gishu County, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Gladys Boss","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon, Temporary Speaker. I have just been following the discussions by my colleagues in relation to the qualifications of the people serving on those co-operative boards. However, it does not have a thing to do with education at all. It has everything to do with honesty."},{"id":1497653,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497653/?format=json","text_counter":648,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Integrity."},{"id":1497654,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497654/?format=json","text_counter":649,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Uasin Gishu County, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Gladys Boss","speaker":null,"content":" Integrity. Someone is corrupt because they have a personality defect. It has nothing to do with their education. If we look at the most successful co-operatives from the time of my grandfather, like Keiyo Co-operative Society, the managers were not well educated. However, it was well managed. They bought buildings and they invested. Today, their own grandchildren and great-grandchildren cannot do the same. It was not because they were educated. We need to remember that we already have structures in place. We are in a better place because of devolution. Most counties have been encouraged to have a co-operative officer in every ward. I know that Elgeyo Marakwet County is one of the counties that has done that. They have co-operative officers, a Member of the County Executive Committee in charge of Co-operatives at the county and they also have the commissioner of co-operatives for the county, who reports to the Ministry of Co-operatives here in Nairobi. They are the ones who are supposed to be supervising and interrogating the books. That is why I said that corruption is with the co-operative officers and the commissioners of co-operatives who are domiciled under the Ministry."},{"id":1497655,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497655/?format=json","text_counter":650,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Uasin Gishu County, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Gladys Boss","speaker":null,"content":"The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."},{"id":1497656,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497656/?format=json","text_counter":651,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Uasin Gishu County, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Gladys Boss","speaker":null,"content":"They are the ones who allow the books to be cooked and the wrong officials to hold office and so on. Therefore, it is not about the qualifications, but the guidelines that we shall give. I know that immediately after this Bill passes and becomes an Act of Parliament, we will develop regulations and guidelines on how that can be monitored to ensure that, that problem does not happen. That, they have a good database of shareholders. With the technology we now have, they can register them biometrically like the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) does. They can borrow IEBC’s equipment and register them so that they are able to have a confirmed list of shareholders. That way, they can vote through the same system. Therefore, it has nothing to do with education. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."},{"id":1497657,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497657/?format=json","text_counter":652,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Order, Hon. Members. There are two Bills that are going on concurrently. We have not taken up the Co- operatives Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.7 of 2024) yet. This is the Coffee Bill, (Senate Bill No.10 of 2023). This is the Coffee Board. It is not about co-operatives."},{"id":1497658,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497658/?format=json","text_counter":653,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba spoke off record)"},{"id":1497659,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497659/?format=json","text_counter":654,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":"Hon. Wamuchomba, I will give you all the time. This issue is so dear to my heart that I will not move on until we have been educated on it. I can see here, Hon. Gichimu, Hon. Wamuchomba and then Hon. Melly."},{"id":1497660,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497660/?format=json","text_counter":655,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Gichugu, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Gichimu Githinji","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Chairman, let the Members get this right. I am not seeking to amend to remove the requirement of a Form IV certificate for a board member. There was an amendment by Hon. (Dr) Oundo which was seeking qualifications that were higher than Form IV, but which he has already accepted to drop. So, that is retained. What I was seeking is for those members of the board not to have the requirement of management in the coffee sector. That would require that you have already been employed in the coffee sector and earned that experience. That is what I was seeking to remove. With your concurrence, this matter is already functus officio . We have already done…"},{"id":1497661,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497661/?format=json","text_counter":656,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" I agree with you and have taken the liberty to allow this ventilating but, of course, I will give a ruling on exactly how we continue. You can only change this in the recommittal, but it is fair that we listen to every Member because of the sensitivity and the strategic location of coffee farming in this country. Yes, Hon. Wamuchomba."}]}