{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=147960","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=147958","results":[{"id":1497782,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497782/?format=json","text_counter":777,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Hon. Oundo, proceed before I give Hon. Mutunga a chance."},{"id":1497783,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497783/?format=json","text_counter":778,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Funyula, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Speaker, I want to persuade the Chairperson. I sit in the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co- operatives. Mheshimiwa Gichimu and I had the opportunity to go to Frankfurt to attend an international conference that was dealing with the issue of international standards in compliance with the World Trade Organisation. Therefore, we have no romantic attachment to what we are talking about. We do not hate KEBS. In any case, KEBS is created under the Standards Act. The overriding Act is the Standards Act and not KEBS. Just understand. Thank you."},{"id":1497784,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497784/?format=json","text_counter":779,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Okay. Hon. Chairperson, proceed."},{"id":1497785,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497785/?format=json","text_counter":780,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Tigania West, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) John K. Mutunga","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Speaker, the provisions in this particular clause are stated simplistically. What does my very learned friend, if I may use that word, understand by \"in collaboration with\"? What does Dr Oundo understand when we say 'in collaboration with'? Does it mean it must be KEBS? It also presumes that there are others. You can put together as many as you can. Again, (m) says surveillance and compliance with policies and standards that are also open. I think we need to..."},{"id":1497786,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497786/?format=json","text_counter":781,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Tigania West, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) John K. Mutunga","speaker":null,"content":"The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."},{"id":1497787,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497787/?format=json","text_counter":782,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Hon. Wamuchomba."},{"id":1497788,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497788/?format=json","text_counter":783,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Tigania West, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. (Dr) John K. Mutunga","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Speaker, I also want to share some experience. I have been in the agricultural sector for a while. I remember when the Euro-Retailer Produce Working Group for Good Agricultural Practices (EurepGAP) standard was established. What did our country do? We developed a higher and better standard than the EurepGAP, and our goods are accepted more. It was beyond their standard because the supermarkets came up and said that those goods could not enter our markets. It was in collaboration. Yes, KEBS is constituted by the Standards Act, but the Standards Act does not presume any level of experience. The KEBS is the institution that is experienced in developing those standards in collaboration with others. You can have the Kenya Plant Health Inspectorate Services (KEPHIS), the Kenya Industrial Property Institute (KIPI), et cetera . Hon. Temporary Chairman, that collaboration opens up for everyone. I do not see any mischief in leaving this clause as it is. I do not see any mischief."},{"id":1497789,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497789/?format=json","text_counter":784,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Hon. Wamuchomba take precisely one minute because we have come to the end of this. I now have to report progress."},{"id":1497790,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497790/?format=json","text_counter":785,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Githunguri, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba","speaker":null,"content":" The reason why we were looking forward to this new Coffee Bill is so that we can run away from the many bureaucracies that are created during law-making like we are doing now. Why force a farmer to go to the Kenya Bureau of Standards (KEBS) when the only licensing and standard needed is just a cue standard, for example, for specialised coffee? Why would you put it in the law that I have to go to KEBS, and then I go to look for the other standard that my buyers need? Those many bureaucracies we have been having for our farmers are what we are running away from. We do not need KEBS here, if farmers do not need it. Why are we putting things in place to make farmers' product-selling processes more difficult? By the way, this KEBS thing is also costly. Why are we adding costs? If the only standard we need is, for example, cue standard, let us open the law so that cue standard can be the basic that is needed."},{"id":1497791,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1497791/?format=json","text_counter":786,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Chairman, I have to report progress because the House is going to adjourn."}]}