{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=148166","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=148164","results":[{"id":1499842,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499842/?format=json","text_counter":33,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. (Dr.) Khlawale","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":170,"legal_name":"Bonny Khalwale","slug":"bonny-khalwale"},"content":"you have in accessing the information that we wanted, which in your view, is in the hands of the NLC and then transmitted to us, the Cabinet Secretary?"},{"id":1499843,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499843/?format=json","text_counter":34,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Just take more."},{"id":1499844,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499844/?format=json","text_counter":35,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Maanzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13589,"legal_name":"Maanzo Daniel Kitonga","slug":"maanzo-daniel-kitonga"},"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, under the Constitution, this House invites Cabinet Secretaries to come and respond on matters under their Ministries. You are the Ministry of Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development. Although the NLC is independent, she could have as well have invited them to accompany her here or written to them. The NLC then should have responded in one way or another. Is there a letter that they have responded to you now that you are the one the Constitution expects to appear here on behalf of the NLC?"},{"id":1499845,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499845/?format=json","text_counter":36,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mungatana, MGH","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. Since the promulgation of the Kenya Constitution in 2010, there have been tensions - I am aware of it - between the Ministry of Lands and the NLC. Previous Ministers have had even an open fallout with the Chairman of the NLC. As she tries to navigate through the questions that have been put to her, we want her to tell us what the relationship between the NLC now and the Ministry is. How do they operate? As the Senate, we are very uncomfortable to be told that the Cabinet Secretary is not able to answer questions relating to lands and the whole country knows that the buck stops with her. What is the problem? What do we need to do if they cannot take directions? We cannot have people operating without responsibility to the people who employed them; which is the country Kenya. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir."},{"id":1499846,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499846/?format=json","text_counter":37,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Onyonka, proceed."},{"id":1499847,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499847/?format=json","text_counter":38,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Onyonka","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13592,"legal_name":"Onyonka Richard Momoima","slug":"onyonka-richard-momoima"},"content":"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I sincerely would like to reiterate and support what hon. Mungatana and Sen. Beatrice have said. Madam Cabinet Secretary, I will give you an example of the problem we have. There are individuals in Uasin Gishu County who provided their land about eight years ago so that the Expressway could be done on the southern part of Eldoret Town. This was a group of about 12 individuals. The road is there and in use. The national Government ended up paying two out of those 12 people. My suspicion is that someone must have given something small for that to happen. We are persuading our leader, the Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development, to give us an audit because she has been in the National Assembly where we were. How many pieces of land are controversial and have had issues between the NLC and owners or the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) or Kenya Railways Corporation (KRC) or any other Government departments. If the NLC is not able to come and give us the lists, they could have given you the list and told you which ones are controversial. The feeling we have is that you are moving away from your very critical responsibility. The buck stops with you. Therefore, for you to tell us that the NLC has not given you the numbers, names and figures and that you have nothing to do with it, given The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1499848,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499848/?format=json","text_counter":39,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Onyonka","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13592,"legal_name":"Onyonka Richard Momoima","slug":"onyonka-richard-momoima"},"content":"your history of being a performer, then it means we would have to start saying how you have been defeated to do your job, which you are very highly qualified to do. I thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir."},{"id":1499849,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499849/?format=json","text_counter":40,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may now proceed to respond."},{"id":1499850,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499850/?format=json","text_counter":41,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Alice Wahome","speaker_title":"The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development","speaker":null,"content":" Mr. Speaker, Sir, with great respect, the Senate is asking me to do the work of the NLC, which I will not pretend, neither will I confirm that I am able to do. The NLC is an established body under our Constitution. If you look at the questions you are asking, I should be in a position to take responsibility of the information that I bring to this Plenary. Therefore, if you ask me to provide all parcels that have been compulsorily acquired by the Government agencies since 2013. You are also asking me to bring information that has been processed by an agency that is not under me. It has nothing to do with land. My mandate is not about compulsory acquisition. The Senate is in a position to summon the NLC. It does not have to be in the Plenary. We have a Committee that they can appear before. It is not that I am unable to do my job. I am honest in saying that it is not my mandate and the officers are not accountable to me. My department is a fourth arm of Government established with specific mandate from the Constitution, answering to Parliament directly. So, I may ask them for information and bring it to you. However, if you want to interrogate that information, I will not take responsibility because it is not work within my office. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I plead to be understood in this regard. Hon. Sen. Mungatana is requesting me to indicate whether there are any tensions. He is referring to previous tensions. Sometimes Government agencies have tensions. The public and I are also aware that sometimes the Senate and the National Assembly have their own tensions. Mr. Speaker, Sir, currently, there are no tensions. We are not suffering from that issue. I do not want to say that we have that. It is not that I cannot get this information. I have written to them requesting for it. However, I knew that the right way is to request this House to get the information from the constitutionally mandated body that you can hold accountable, interrogate their list and compensation. I do not handle their compensation at any time. I beg to be released from that request because it is not my responsibility. On the last question by Sen. Onyonka on whether I am defeated, I believe I have answered that. All the questions relate to why I am not bringing this information. If I bring this information, I should be able to own and take responsibility. I will not because it is not work within my Ministry."},{"id":1499851,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499851/?format=json","text_counter":42,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Now, Hon. Cabinet Secretary, under our Standing Orders, it is only the Cabinet Secretaries that are mandated to respond to questions by the Hon. Senators."}]}