{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=148174","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=148172","results":[{"id":1499922,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499922/?format=json","text_counter":113,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Alice Wahome","speaker_title":"The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works and Housing","speaker":null,"content":" Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to start with the question of Sen. Abass on Garissa, Mandera and Wajir counties: Do we have plans for a registry in these areas? I think this is a conversation we can have. The problem is having too many registries and fewer personnel. However, to do a registry, you require about maybe between Kshs80,000 and Kshs120,000. We can look and see in between which is the more appropriate in terms of distances and logistics to then agree on where we should have a registry. Ordinarily, it is not a very difficult thing, funds being available. We are also partnering with MPs to build registries because short of funding. There is nothing that stop us from establishing a registry. Sometimes distances become a barrier to access to the land rights by our people. So, I want to assure you that I will take it up and we can The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1499923,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499923/?format=json","text_counter":114,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Alice Wahome","speaker_title":"The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works and Housing","speaker":null,"content":"have a discussion in my office, maybe with MPs from those regions so that we agree on which are the appropriate places that we can start thinking of a registry. Sen. Kinyua asked me how much I need so that next year I do not come here again and say I do not have money. I know what I should do avoid saying we have no funding. Regarding the colonial villages in Nyeri, Kirinyaga and Nyandarua, we had done an estimate of Kshs137 million and that request has been put to the National Treasury. However, I think in order to clear with all the colonial villages we will need double that amount because they are not just in those places. We are talking of about maybe Kshs300 million to clear with that. I have a question from Sen. Miraj about Mombasa or the coastal region, how many titles are ready and not collected? Allow me to give you this information of where titles are ready and how many there are, later. I do not have that information because it is a supplementary question. It is good to have a proper response in terms of data. I will request that I forward that information either through the Senate or to you as an MP. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have been asked a question by Sen. Kavindu Muthama on Katerembo. However, to be honest, I do not have any information about this specific society, or the question that you want me to address. What I can gather from you is that this is a private land, but there are squatters. I had said earlier that the question of squatters is a very serious problem in this country. The last time I appeared either here or before the National Assembly Committee. As a country, we are developing a class of people who I would define as professional squatters. They move from one land to another - believe me – those lands have owners. These people are just moving from one land to another once the land appears like it is vacant. Mr. Speaker, Sir, maybe we can have a meeting with you. I would invite the hon. Senator to my office so that I can be seized of the challenges she is raising. I do not want to add more on that. However, if they are squatters, they would have to negotiate with the owners of the land so that possibly they give them the land. Sometimes they are squatters who have worked in that land for a long time, but we cannot allow people to just come to your land and occupy it. Tomorrow, it will be you, and the other day, it will be somebody else's land. People must also learn to respect the land rights of others. However, they could have a reason why they are calling themselves squatters in that land. Let us have a discussion. I do not know whether I have answered all the questions. On the question of what happens when two people claim they have some title that appears legit and then who is the owner? There can only be one legitimate title deed. So, one of those titles is a forgery. It means then you would have to interrogate the document itself and also the record. The record will guide you to the ownership by name. There are also features. When we interrogate the title deeds, there are features that we look for in them, which will lead us closer to who has a forged title deed because some are just printed. I do not want to say in River Road because other good things happen in River Road. Let us say in the streets of Nairobi. If you have any like that, you The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1499924,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499924/?format=json","text_counter":115,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Alice Wahome","speaker_title":"The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works and Housing","speaker":null,"content":"can revert to us so that we can consult the registry where they purport to have been issued from and then we will help."},{"id":1499925,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499925/?format=json","text_counter":116,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Madzayo, you have the Floor."},{"id":1499926,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499926/?format=json","text_counter":117,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Madzayo","speaker_title":"The Senate Minority Leader","speaker":{"id":679,"legal_name":"Stewart Mwachiru Shadrack Madzayo","slug":"stewart-mwachiru-shadrack-madzayo"},"content":" Asante, Bw. Spika. Kwanza kabisa Bi. Waziri, ninakupa heko kwa kuweka sahihi kwa mkataba wa kutaka kuendelea na kazi yako ya uwaziri hapo jana. Kama unavyojua, Kaunti ya Kilifi ambapo mimi ni Seneta, ni eneo la pwani ambalo linajulikana sana kwa mambo ya maskwota katika Kenya nzima. Ninafikiria hakuna kaunti ambayo ina maskwota wengi zaidi ya Kaunti ya Kilifi. Nikizingatia ya kwamba tunaweza kulingalisa na sasa hivi ambapo kumekuwa na wingi wa watu ambao wanataka kujenga majumba na watu ambao wamekuja kuweka raslimali zao na kutafuta vile wanaweza kujiendeleza kimaisha na kibiashara. Hilo ni jambo nzuri. Hata hivyo, tukiangalia zaidi, tunaona ya kwamba kumekuwa na hali ngumu ya maskwota. Maskwota wanaendelea kugandamizwa. Wanawekwa katika meneo ya kando ambayo sio maeneo ambapo wanaishi. Sio kilifi tu, eneo Bunge la Ganze, Magarini, Malindi na hata Eneo Bunge la Kilifi South, kumekuwa na muamko mkubwa. Ukiangalia katika eneo la Vipingo, Kikampala na Mtwapa, kumekuwa na maskwota wengi sana na sasa wanasongeshwa na kupelekwa katika hali ya kuishi kana kwamba wao sio binadamu tena."},{"id":1499927,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499927/?format=json","text_counter":118,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"[The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) left the Chair]"},{"id":1499928,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499928/?format=json","text_counter":119,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) in the Chair]"},{"id":1499929,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499929/?format=json","text_counter":120,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Madzayo","speaker_title":"The Senate Minority Leader","speaker":{"id":679,"legal_name":"Stewart Mwachiru Shadrack Madzayo","slug":"stewart-mwachiru-shadrack-madzayo"},"content":"Bw. Spika wa Muda, watu wanajenga majumba na wengine kuyanunua na wakija pale huwa wanakuja na hati miliki wakisema ya kwamba wao ndio wamiliki. Watu wengine wanavurushwa kwa kutumia polisi. Polisi wanatumiwa vibaya kwa kuambiwa endeni mukawaondoe watu katika makao yao. Je, ni hatua gani ambayo Wizara yako ambayo inahusika na utetezi kama huu, unaweza kutetea maskwota ama ni hatua gani Wizara yako inachukua kuona ya kwamba maskwota wanoishi kama ni Kaloleni, Rabai--- Ukiangali Eneo Bunge la Rabai, sasa hivi lote limevamiwa na waegezaji wanotaka kuja na kuweka mali zao na kila kitu. Wameichukua ardhi ile na kusongesha wenyeji waliozaliwa pale. Mahali pale kuna makaburi, makanisa, misikiti na pia sikuli. Sasa wamekuja na orders, wakiwa na buldozers za kuangusha nyumba na kuvurusha watu. Wizara yako ni muhimu sana. Je, ni hatua gani ambayo Wizara yako imechukua kuwatetea maskwotai? Sisi hatukatai maendeleo, lakini vile vile, wakaaji waliozaliwa pale na wanaoishi pale, hatalazimishwa kuondoka pale. Pia pale pana makaburi yao. Kwa hiyo, siyo vizuri kupeleka tingatinga pale na kubomoa nyumba za watu na wengine wanaweza kuwa na title deeds."},{"id":1499930,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499930/?format=json","text_counter":121,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Abdul Haji","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Seneta, unachukua muda mrefu sana kuliza swali lako. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1499931,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499931/?format=json","text_counter":122,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Madzayo","speaker_title":"The Senate Minority Leader","speaker":{"id":679,"legal_name":"Stewart Mwachiru Shadrack Madzayo","slug":"stewart-mwachiru-shadrack-madzayo"},"content":" Tafadhali Bw. Spika wa Muda, kwa heshima na taathima, swali hili linanihusu mimi sana. Watu wangu wametupwa na wengine wanashikwa na polisi. Kila siku mimi niko katika polisi station kuwatetea watu wangu ili waachiliwe huru. Wanashikwa kwa sababu maeneo yao yamechukuliwa na waegezaji. Ndipo ninataka Waziri, kwa sababu yuko hapa leo aeleze kinaga ubaga, je ni hatua gani ambayo Wizara yake imechukua kutetea maskwota, sio Kilifi tu bali Kenya nzima. Wanateteaje maskwota iwapo maendeleo yaje na maskwota wajue kuwa wako na haki zao."}]}