{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=148175","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=148173","results":[{"id":1499932,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499932/?format=json","text_counter":123,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Abdul Haji","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you Senator. Cabinet Secretary, you may respond. Sorry. Sen. Omogeni, do you have a supplementary question related to this Question"},{"id":1499933,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499933/?format=json","text_counter":124,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Omogeni","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13219,"legal_name":"Erick Okong'o Mogeni","slug":"erick-okongo-mogeni"},"content":"Yes, Madam Waziri, I want to ask a question related to the issue of compensation for the land that has been acquired by the Government for various projects. There are several residents of the County of Nyamira whose land was compulsorily acquired to construct Chebilat-Ikonge-Chabera Road. They have been waiting for compensation for quite a long time. Could the Ministry tell us what is causing the delay in compensating those residents of the great County of Nyamira? Related to the issues of land also is the rollout of this programme of digitization and conversion of titles to e-titles. This rollout is causing several problems for many Kenyans, especially those who are illiterate and poor, those who do not have phones to e- mail in our rural areas. Is the Government, through you, going to do a system that addresses the vulnerable Kenyans? A number of them have been conned. This is because for you to do that conversion, you have to go to a cyber, get someone to assist you to log the details into a phone and you are not able to read. I know we are trying to benchmark on what is happening from other developed countries. However, what are we putting in place to protect the vulnerable Kenyans? Some of them come from where the hon. Temporary Speaker comes from. They are not able to read and do not have phones that can log into the email and the likes. Finally, there is the issue of corruption within the Ministry, especially the Land Control Board (LCB). Most Kenyans doing transactions for sale of land are forced to pay up to Kshs20,000 or 30,000 before the LCB can issue them with consent to pay the charge or transfer, without issuance of any official receipts. Madam Waziri, do you think the LCB is serving us well? What measures can you put in place to curb the corruption within the LCB committees? I thank you."},{"id":1499934,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499934/?format=json","text_counter":125,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Abdul Haji","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed to respond."},{"id":1499935,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499935/?format=json","text_counter":126,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Alice Wahome","speaker_title":"The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development","speaker":null,"content":" Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, allow me to start with the last question by Sen. Omogeni. I had responded to the digitization question. However, your new question is how we are preparing Kenyans on how to interact with the The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1499936,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499936/?format=json","text_counter":127,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Alice Wahome","speaker_title":"The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development","speaker":null,"content":"information management system, especially the vulnerable because they might probably not have the phones or gadgets required. Every change has its own challenges. We have already agreed that we are digitizing. We are looking at the larger evil that we are trying to curb, which is theft of land, security for land tenure, securing land rights and the loss of titles. If you take that against Kenyans who are not literate, you will find that the bigger problem will be addressed by digitizing. We can then have a conversation on how we will help the vulnerable. Is it through the Ministry that we shall have a department to help the vulnerable? If anybody goes to any registry today, they will get help, irrespective of whether you are supposed to interact with the information management system or not. That is what we should intensify. Administratively, my Ministry will look into that. You have raised an important issue. The reason we are digitizing is to enable easy and effective access to land records. On the question on corruption in the LCB and members of the boards, maybe you would have helped me better if you possibly gave me the specific land board. The Cabinet Secretary has authority to de-gazette a board if we feel corruption is a challenge. Give me a specific Land Control Board and I will de-gazette it tomorrow. I do not know why people have extra money to give for corrupt purposes. You do not need to give any money---"},{"id":1499937,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499937/?format=json","text_counter":128,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Omogeni","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13219,"legal_name":"Erick Okong'o Mogeni","slug":"erick-okongo-mogeni"},"content":"On a point of information, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir."},{"id":1499938,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499938/?format=json","text_counter":129,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Abdul Haji","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Cabinet Secretary, would you like to be informed by Sen. Omogeni?"},{"id":1499939,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499939/?format=json","text_counter":130,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Alice Wahome","speaker_title":"The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development","speaker":null,"content":" That is okay. How can I refuse?"},{"id":1499940,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499940/?format=json","text_counter":131,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Omogeni","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13219,"legal_name":"Erick Okong'o Mogeni","slug":"erick-okongo-mogeni"},"content":"Madam Waziri, this is extremely common in Ngong. In fact, if you want to know the truth, you can send your undercover agents tomorrow. You will see that no official receipt is issued. Those who are able to pay are issued with their consent faster than those who are not willing to give the bribes. It is happening. I am sure I would not be wrong to say that this is duplicated in many land control boards across the country. However, the most notorious is Ngong. You can speak to the Law Society of Kenya (LSK) and they inform you."},{"id":1499941,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1499941/?format=json","text_counter":132,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Alice Wahome","speaker_title":"The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development","speaker":null,"content":" Administratively, I will withdraw the right to hold special board meeting for that land control area so that we have the regular approved land board meetings. I will then pick it up because you have given me the necessary information. Thank you very much for that information. However, I will also send a circular to all the land boards. We have a programme coming up to create awareness and re-train our land board members. They normally get a small allowance. However, they must know that that is not payment. They cannot be soliciting for money. Let them hear me on the floor of this Plenary that if anyone is caught soliciting money as a member of the land board, the entire board will have to go. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."}]}