{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=150676","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=150674","results":[{"id":1524942,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1524942/?format=json","text_counter":879,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" You do not catch the eye of the Speaker by doing that. You know that very well. You do it by logging in. I will follow the table that is here. The first person is Hon. George Gitonga Murugara. Do you want to contribute to this Motion? Leader of the Majority Party, I cannot see your card."},{"id":1524943,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1524943/?format=json","text_counter":880,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Tharaka, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. George Murugara","speaker":null,"content":" Sorry, Hon. Temporary Speaker."},{"id":1524944,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1524944/?format=json","text_counter":881,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Murugara your chance was lost because you were busy. Allow the Leader of the Majority Party to contribute first and then you contribute after him."},{"id":1524945,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1524945/?format=json","text_counter":882,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kikuyu, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for your indulgence. The Deputy Speaker is saying I never have a card. I usually have one but I lost it in the crowd that was here. I do not know who took it. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."},{"id":1524946,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1524946/?format=json","text_counter":883,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kikuyu, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah","speaker":null,"content":"I rise to support this Motion on the Consideration of the 2025 MTDS. I want to speak to a few things on policy propositions or resolutions that the Committee has noted, which I fully concur with. One is on automation. The policy resolutions states that, the Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury, the Governor of CBK and the Controller of Budget should fully automate the withdrawal of debt service payments from the Consolidated Fund by 31st of May this year and submit a report to the National Assembly. I support because part of the problem we cannot get accurate data on our indebtedness as a country is that we have not fully automated our debt management processes. The other proposal is that, in order to strengthen financial controls, we ensure accurate and timely debt management statistics and enhanced decision-making for greater transparency and accountability. Again, they are asking that the National Treasury must integrate the public debt management system with IFMIS by 31st of May this year and then submit a report to the National Assembly within 15 days after the integration of the two systems. It has become customary for this House to pass policy resolutions for enactment or implementation by the National Treasury, most of which they tend to ignore. I want to tell them that for all these policy resolutions, there is a need to automate all our systems. Integration of IFMIS and the debt management system is critical in ensuring that we have accurate, timely data on our total indebtedness as a country. At the same time, there should be automation of the debt payment systems from the Consolidated Fund Services so that at any particular time at the touch of a button, any officer in the National Treasury, at the request of the National Assembly or any other oversight authority, can tell how much has been paid out of our Consolidated Fund towards debt settlement and how much we expect to pay in terms of the interest for debt. All these will be possible with automation. Thirdly, I want to speak on the Treasury Single Account (TSA). The Committee proposed that in order to mitigate the growing risk of domestic debt, interest payments and reduce the tendency of the Government to borrow funds held by public entities the National Treasury should deploy the TSA for all MDAs, parastatals and public funds by 1st July 2025. Allow me to speak to this in relation to a directive that His Excellency the President gave during the State of the Nation Address last year. Previously, the former President..."},{"id":1524947,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1524947/?format=json","text_counter":884,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. Kangogo Bowen stood between Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah and the Chair)"},{"id":1524948,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1524948/?format=json","text_counter":885,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Kangogo, I will not tire of reminding you. I came to this House on 28th March 2013. You are not the person speaking now. You cannot be between him and the Speaker when he is contributing. You cannot."},{"id":1524949,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1524949/?format=json","text_counter":886,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kikuyu, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."},{"id":1524950,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1524950/?format=json","text_counter":887,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose spoke off the record)"},{"id":1524951,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1524951/?format=json","text_counter":888,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kikuyu, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah","speaker":null,"content":"Hon. Pukose says Hon. Kangogo is very mobile today. I do not know whether there are cows that have disappeared somewhere in Marakwet East. I was saying that during the last Parliament, former President Uhuru Kenyatta, at one point also directed that the National Treasury actualise the TSA. This never happened. Now that it has been done through a resolution of the House, the National Treasury has no choice but to actualise. His Excellency the President, during the State of the Nation Address, directed that by 30th April this year, the question of public procurement must be sorted out through e- procurement and ensuring …"}]}