{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=152712","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=152710","results":[{"id":1545302,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1545302/?format=json","text_counter":87,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Wambua's question concerned the original depth of this particular dam, which was later varied. Did that come with additional cost and, therefore, was there a variation of the contract to accommodate that?"},{"id":1545303,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1545303/?format=json","text_counter":88,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and Irrigation","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. (Eng.) Eric Murithi Mugaa): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Yes, because of the increase in height, there is a cost implication for us to have more impoundment based on the surface runoff from the Athi catchment. The cost implication is Kshs2.4 billion. This was done in 2017."},{"id":1545304,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1545304/?format=json","text_counter":89,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Wambua","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13199,"legal_name":"Enoch Kiio Wambua","slug":"enoch-kiio-wambua"},"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, arising from that response, then my concern, and I believe this will be the concern of the public, is on those two components: the issue of the height and the weak foundation. I am sure the Government must have paid for a feasibility study on this project. The issue of how deep to excavate must have been part of that cost. So, who is bearing the cost of that deeper excavation? Is it the Government component or are we now going to ask the African Development Bank for a bigger loan to do this project? In my estimation, the variation on this dam is about Kshs2.4 billion just for the height, and another Kshs432 million for deeper excavation. Who is bearing that cost?"},{"id":1545305,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1545305/?format=json","text_counter":90,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Wambua, I will allow you to get away with this. You are allowed to ask only one supplementary question. However, due to public interest principles, I will allow the Hon. Cabinet Secretary to proceed to respond."},{"id":1545306,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1545306/?format=json","text_counter":91,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and Irrigation","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. (Eng.) Eric Murithi Mugaa): Mr. Speaker, Sir, to give a perspective on the question and clarity, The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1545307,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1545307/?format=json","text_counter":92,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and Irrigation","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"whenever there is a variation on a project, we have to seek concurrence from the Africa Development Bank (AfDB). I am informed that when this happened, concurrence was sought from the AfDB and they gave no objection. When you raise a dam from 77.5 to 80.5 metres, you retain more, which is the purpose of the dam. That is water harvesting from our catchment. Whenever there is such a change, there is a cost implication and that concurrence is always sought from the bank that does usual and routine contract appraisals and gives no objection. I submit."},{"id":1545308,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1545308/?format=json","text_counter":93,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Lastly, Sen. Omtatah."},{"id":1545309,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1545309/?format=json","text_counter":94,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Okiya Omtatah","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Hon. Cabinet Secretary has referred to an AfDB loan. I would like to know whether that loan is an Appropriation-in-Aid (A- in-A), or whether money was given directly to the Government of Kenya (GoK), put in a Consolidated Fund and is being supervised by the Controller of Budget (CoB). If it is an A-in-A, what is the justification for a bank getting into an A-in-A arrangement for financing Thwake Dam? That is my question, Mr. Speaker, Sir."},{"id":1545310,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1545310/?format=json","text_counter":95,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond."},{"id":1545311,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1545311/?format=json","text_counter":96,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and Irrigation","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Hon. (Eng.) Eric Murithi Mugaa): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, and thank you, Sen. Omtatah. Yes, the loan from the AfDB is concessional in form of A-in-A, whereby, upon approval, money certificates are paid by the bank and not by the Ministry."}]}