{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=154079","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=154077","results":[{"id":1558972,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1558972/?format=json","text_counter":212,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Matuga, ANC","speaker_title":"Mhe. Kassim Tandaza","speaker":null,"content":"hawana uwezo. Hapa nina sisitiza neno uwezo. Katika mkataba wa uwezo, tunazungumzia mafukara. Fukara ni mtu ambaye hana chochote. Hajui atakula nini na atalala wapi. Maskini ni mtu ambaye anacho lakini alicho nacho hakimtoshi. Kwa mfano, maskini angetaka kula chapati mbili lakini hana uwezo hivyo basi inamlazimu ale chapati moja au nusu pamoja na familia yake. Mswada huu unafuata mfumo wa dini kuwa kama jamii, ni lazima tuwasimamie wasiokuwa navyo. Fedha ambazo wahitaji watapewa ni ushuru ambao unatozwa wafanyakazi na wafanyabiashara wanaopata faida. Kwa hivyo, ni mfumo mzuri ambao utahakikisha wahitaji wanasaidika. Sioni kama mwaka ni kigezo kizuri kutumika kwa sababu kuna uwezekano wa mtu kuwa na miaka zaidi ya 60 kama inavyosema sheria lakini ana uwezo. Katika mfumo wa NG-CDF ambao unafaa iwe ya kumfaidi mlala hoi asiyekuwa na uwezo, wale wenye uwezo hujaza form zetu na kusema kuwa hizo fedha ni za Serikali na ni za bure. Ninahofia kuwa ikiwa miaka ndio kigezo watakachotumia peke yake kutakuwa na uwezekano wa mtu aliyefikisha miaka 60 kusema anastahili kupata usaidizi huu ilihali ana uwezo. Hilo litasababisha upungufu wa fedha zitakazotolewa. Nataka kuongezea kuwa fedha hizi zisitolewe kwa usawa. Kwa mfano, ikiwa ni elfu mbili au tatu eti kila mhitaji apate hizo elfu mbili au tatu. Tunavyojua, watu wana mahitaji mbali mbali. Bodi ikiundwa, itengeneza kanuni zitakazotumika kubaini hali halisi ya watu ili anayestahili elfu tatu apewe hizo elfu tatu kulingana na uwezo wa familia yake na anayestahili elfu kumi apewe hizo elfu kumi kwa sababu ya majukumu au maradhi aliyo nayo. Watu wapewe fedha kulingana na mahitaji yao. Kusiwe na kiwango maalum cha fedha zitakazopewa wahitaji kwa kuwa mahitaji ya watu si sawa. Ahsante."},{"id":1558973,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1558973/?format=json","text_counter":213,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Hon. Dawood, the Member of Parliament for Meru."},{"id":1558974,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1558974/?format=json","text_counter":214,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"North Imenti, Independent","speaker_title":"Hon. Rahim Dawood","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity. I disagree with Hon.Tandaza. When he talks about some people getting more than others, that will be a leeway for corruption. On the Ksh2,000 that they get, the indigents should be getting more than Ksh5,000. That money should be pegged on inflation rate from the first time I joined Parliament in 2013; the 11th Parliament. We need to move the registration away. When people were being registered in my constituency during the Financial Year 2014/2015, there was a lady who was brought in a Mercedes Benz to register to get the Ksh2,000. It was a shame that at the end of the day she was registered. She was old but she was from a well-to-do family. She did not need that money to go to her account. We need to narrow down the registration. In the 12th Parliament, I went to the office of the Permanent Secretary (PS) for the Ministry of Labour and Social Protection, Mr. Marwa to ask for a list of the people who get the Ksh2,000. You may not believe it but I waited for two years and I never got the list. I went there five times to get the list so that I could know the people who were getting the money. There is no transparency in the register of the people who get the money. Money goes to the banks and sometimes we are told that money has not come for three months. Hon. Temporary Speaker, when the elderly people go to the bank for their money, they are told that it has not been disbursed. However, we are told in Parliament that the money has been disbursed. Who takes that money? That is what we need to be told. If this Bill will streamline that situation, we need to know how to devolve it. The whole constituency cannot be told to go to one place to collect the money. Imagine an old person on a motorcycle – which is sometimes an unsafe ride – risking falling during the rainy season. How do they make it to the station where the money is being disbursed? In my constituency, payments are mostly done at primary schools or outside Kenya Commercial Bank (KCB) branch premises. We need a board to be appointed to streamline how people get paid this money. There are many people The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."},{"id":1558975,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1558975/?format=json","text_counter":215,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"North Imenti, Independent","speaker_title":"Hon. Rahim Dawood","speaker":null,"content":"who are yet to be included in list of beneficiaries. They need to be registered. How do we replace the people who pass away? We do not know. How are disabled persons being put into the roster? This will tell us what is happening. During the Committee of the whole House, I will move an amendment to increase the money. Secondly, the mode of payment should be one that ensures the money gets right to the villages. Registration of vulnerable people should also be done transparently. If you know a chief, you are registered. If you do not know a chief, you will never be registered. With those few remarks, I support the Bill but I will bring amendments."},{"id":1558976,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1558976/?format=json","text_counter":216,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Member for Samburu East, Hon. Lekumontare."},{"id":1558977,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1558977/?format=json","text_counter":217,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Samburu East, KANU","speaker_title":"Hon. Jackson Lekumontare","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this Bill. Currently, elderly and disabled persons in our constituencies are suffering very much. This Bill will help us solve some problems. When social protection was rolled out, I remember that it came as a trial with a start-up of Ksh2000, which we know does not help anymore. People may not know some places in this country. If you look at how these people get money, they get nothing. We need a law that will ensure they get what they are supposed to get. Previously, whoever was responsible for issues of the elderly would want to verify whether a registered beneficiary was still alive. However, the verification method was a challenge. If there is a body responsible for the affairs of elderly people, those responsible will have a way of verifying that registered beneficiaries are indeed alive. In some places, like in Samburu East, which I represent, many people were left out of this programme because they were unable to go to the verification centres. We need this Bill to identify and verify that these people are alive. We are not equal in this country. A sum of Ksh2,000 can help people in some places but some constituencies in this country are vast. The Ksh2,000 does not even get to the people it is supposed to help. The intention is good but implementation of the social protection scheme is not well taken care of. This Bill will help us solve some of the problems that elderly and disabled people are facing in the country. I realised that even when you were disabled, you would not be allowed to go and get the money that you are entitled to if you were on a wheel chair because you would not be considered to be disabled at that time. You would need somebody to sign on your behalf for the money to be dispatched."},{"id":1558978,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1558978/?format=json","text_counter":218,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Samburu East, KANU","speaker_title":"Hon. Jackson Lekumontare","speaker":null,"content":"Nowadays even your own brother or someone else who is closest to you is not genuine when it comes to money. We lost very many people as they got paid this money. Some people are carried in wheelbarrows to the payment centres, which gives a very bad image. This Bill will help us to have a body that will be responsible for the welfare of these people. If the Government really wants to help them, we need to put these regulations in place to prevent people from suffering. As an Hon. Member said, in some places, hiring a motorbike to ferry a beneficiary to a payment centre that is located 70 km away takes up all the entire Kshs2,000. A beneficiary will, therefore, get paid, spend the entire amount on motorbike transport and run back to us asking for bus fare to go back home. Such scenario defeats the purpose of one getting paid this money."},{"id":1558979,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1558979/?format=json","text_counter":219,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Samburu East, KANU","speaker_title":"Hon. Jackson Lekumontare","speaker":null,"content":"Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is an important Bill. We need to work on it. This is because in most cases, the beneficiaries do not know how to read and write. Even though bank agents use beneficiaries’ biometrics for identification, sometimes the fingerprints do not reflect on the system. I heard that some of them are told that their blood is cold and, therefore, they should go and take some chang’aa to warm it up. People are going through a lot of problems on the ground. I do not understand why they use fingerprints to identify them when it is well known that fingerprints of elderly people may have issues. The Government should have another way of identifying them if the fingerprints fail. Those who have never taken alcohol are told to do so for the fingerprints to work. That is very bad. I also think there is a lot of The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."},{"id":1558980,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1558980/?format=json","text_counter":220,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Samburu East, KANU","speaker_title":"Hon. Jackson Lekumontare","speaker":null,"content":"corruption where these funds are concerned. People are told to give something so that they can get their money. We need to stop that practice. Hon. Temporary Speaker, we need to pass this Bill so that our people can get what the Government intends to give them at the right time and in the correct way. With those remarks, I support."},{"id":1558981,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1558981/?format=json","text_counter":221,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Farah Maalim","speaker_title":"The Temporary Speaker","speaker":{"id":16,"legal_name":"Farah Maalim Mohamed","slug":"farah-maalim"},"content":" Next is Hon. Abdul Haro, who will be followed by Hon. Chelule."}]}