{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=154616","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=154614","results":[{"id":1564342,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564342/?format=json","text_counter":169,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mungatana, MGH","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am much obliged."},{"id":1564343,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564343/?format=json","text_counter":170,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Professor, who is your seconder? Sen. Enoch, you are the seconder, I presume."},{"id":1564344,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564344/?format=json","text_counter":171,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Wambua","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13199,"legal_name":"Enoch Kiio Wambua","slug":"enoch-kiio-wambua"},"content":"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have been called upon to second the amendment to this Motion. As we second the amendment to this Motion, let it be known to all of us in this House, that the county assemblies are what is referred to as regional parliaments in other jurisdictions; institutions that have capacity to make laws and transact business for and on behalf of their respective governments. In those assemblies, it can never be that a section of leaders in one assembly will decide that they are going to have a sitting in the office of a Member of a County Assembly and call themselves the assembly of that respective county; pass laws and appropriate funds for the executive. Then we sit here and say that we are over sighting devolution. If we allow that to happen in Nyamira, it will happen in Tana River, Kakamega, Bomet and before we know it; any time MCAs are able to marshal a quorum to do anything, they will appoint among themselves a speaker, they will do what they want to do, they will appropriate and then they will say that they have done it as an assembly."},{"id":1564345,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564345/?format=json","text_counter":172,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Wambua","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13199,"legal_name":"Enoch Kiio Wambua","slug":"enoch-kiio-wambua"},"content":"The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate"},{"id":1564346,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564346/?format=json","text_counter":173,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Wambua","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13199,"legal_name":"Enoch Kiio Wambua","slug":"enoch-kiio-wambua"},"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, assemblies are designated venues and once a place is designated as the sitting of an assembly, there is a procedure of gazettement. To the extent that, if any business takes place in any place with a speaker that is not gazetted as a sitting of the assembly of any county, the business transacted in that place cannot be said to be legal business."},{"id":1564347,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564347/?format=json","text_counter":174,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" The Senate Majority Leader, kindly take your seat."},{"id":1564348,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564348/?format=json","text_counter":175,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Question of the amendment proposed)"},{"id":1564349,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564349/?format=json","text_counter":176,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":"Now, the Floor is open. Sen. Mungatana?"},{"id":1564350,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564350/?format=json","text_counter":177,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mungatana, MGH","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, first, I thank you for giving me the Floor, but I beg to oppose the proposed amendment. That amendment is speaking to the finality of that Report. I took my time to listen because I have serious concerns about the problems that are facing Nyamira, like all of us. We do not want the problems to continue. However, I listened to the Chairperson of the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, Sen. Abbas, and he said that it was a progress report. I was going to support him in the original format because he said; the heavy recommendation was that the Committee was going to go to the ground. They have suspicions that maybe, these factions are supported by politicians and they were going to have a meeting with the senior politicians there, the Senator and the Governor. This is a very good recommendation and it is a progress report, so that they can feel and hear. In our language, we say, you want to feel the stomachs of the people of that decision. This is because the Committee had a first-hand opportunity to sit and hear the witnesses. We were not there and it had the opportunity to listen to the grievances of both sides. The same Committee, which is led by a highly respected Senator is saying; let us go and sit like elders and talk to them. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was going to suggest that during that meeting, the religious community or elders should be involved, so that some form of understanding can be reached. If that understanding is not reached, I was going to convince the House that at the finality, when those heavy propositions that are being made; that some people must be investigated, maybe arrested or refunds be ordered, can be done after the attempted resolution of the matter in a peaceful way. Political problems cannot be solved by courts or the EACC. This is a political problem and the best way is this intervening Committee to sit with them and talk. However, when we say that the other side must refund money and for the other side, all the meetings they have done are illegal and yet the Committee is just giving us a progress report, it is like the Senate is taking a position before even the meeting is convened. It is like the Senate has already decided, but the Committee has not recommended to us that we take that position."},{"id":1564351,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564351/?format=json","text_counter":178,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mungatana, MGH","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate"}]}