{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=154617","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=154615","results":[{"id":1564352,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564352/?format=json","text_counter":179,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mungatana, MGH","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not know whether the hon. Senator for Kisumu, who is a member of that Committee, has spoken but I am not sure, but the Chairperson of that Committee has spoken to the progress report. I stood here to say it is premature. I would like to request that we give them one or two weeks and they will come back having made those attempts. There is nothing wrong with attempting a resolution. Those of us who practice law have been told many times that a bad consent is better than a good judgment. The best judgment that you can give is not like a poor consent. It is better to have a poor consent, but a consent between parties. Why not give the opportunity to the Chairperson and his Committee to go and attempt a political solution? Why are we in a rush? I am asking this so that we are not seen to be partisan as a House. Let the Committee go and attempt and this amendment that is being introduced is finalizing this report. That was not the intention of the Chairperson. I listened to him carefully. Mr. Speaker, Sir, unless we are saying we have no confidence in what the Chairman and the Committee is doing, I believe it is unfair to take a position at this time, whether that position is correct or not is not what I am saying. I am saying that we should give the Committee an opportunity to go and listen and seek a political solution. Let us not take a position now on Nyamira, so that we can give all political players, including the religious groups or the elders there a chance to give us a solution that will solve this problem once and for all. I beg to oppose that amendment and ask that we let the Committee go with the first form of the Motion; that they go down to Nyamira and attempt a political solution. I thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir."},{"id":1564353,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564353/?format=json","text_counter":180,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" M. Sen. Kajwang’."},{"id":1564354,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564354/?format=json","text_counter":181,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, the person who represents the people of Nyamira in this House is Sen. Okong’o Omogeni. He is the one who moved the Committee to carry out an inquiry on matters to do with the affairs of the Assembly in Nyamira County. Generally, when a Senator escalates such matters to the Senate, we must take it seriously because it implies that he attempted other methods of reconciliation and failed. He, therefore, saw it fit to bring it to the Senate. Sen. Omogeni brought this matter to the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations on 1st April, 2025. I do not think it was a fool's day prank. It is 45 days later. We have an interim report and it is not normal, as you know, Mr. Speaker, Sir, that when a Statement is requested, the Committee reports back to the House. I believe you allowed the Committee to report back to the House by giving interim recommendations because of the seriousness of this matter."},{"id":1564355,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564355/?format=json","text_counter":182,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"My concern is as follows. In those 45 days since Sen. Omogeni flagged this issue, laws are being passed, budgets are processed and public participation is ongoing in two different assemblies; and withdrawals are being authorized from the County Revenue"},{"id":1564356,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564356/?format=json","text_counter":183,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate"},{"id":1564357,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564357/?format=json","text_counter":184,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"Fund, perhaps with the authority of two different assemblies. This Senate must put a stop to that nonsense, because there is no better way to describe it. In as much as this is an interim report, we must put a stop to that absurdity. It is that absurdity that made the drafters of our Constitution to introduce Article 192 that allows for suspension of county governments. The County Governments Act says that a county can be suspended where the people or the leadership of the county engage in activities that are detrimental or against the objectives of devolution. What else can be against the objectives of devolution than this thing or this theatre of the absurd that we are seeing in Nyamira? I want to recommend that this House makes strong interim recommendations in as much as this is an interim report."},{"id":1564358,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564358/?format=json","text_counter":185,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"I wonder how the Controller of Budget (CoB) is handling requisitions authorized by two different assemblies. There is a big problem, and I wish Sen. (Prof.) Odhiambo Ojienda had a far-reaching recommendation on the Controller of Budget to stop authorization of withdrawals from an assembly that is not recognized in law. If we are going to go with the persuasion of Sen. Mungatana, then Sen. Abbas must convince us. This matter has been in his Committee for 45 days. What is it that we must do for the people of Nyamira to know that we are serious? Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will say this for your information and for the information of the House. When the Governor for Nyamira County appeared before my Committee, this matter played out. My Committee resolved to visit Nyamira, but because the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations was seized of the matter, we allowed that Committee to pursue the matter. They are doing it rightly so, because that is where this responsibility lies."},{"id":1564359,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564359/?format=json","text_counter":186,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. M. Kajwang’","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13162,"legal_name":"Moses Otieno Kajwang'","slug":"moses-otieno-kajwang"},"content":"We want bold recommendations, even if the Committee is visiting Nyamira tomorrow. We must put a stop to the leakage of public resources through illegal activities that are being perpetrated by actors in Nyamira. It is for that reason that I would support the interim recommendations as proposed by Sen. (Prof.) Odhiambo Ojienda. However, the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations must also move with speed. If we cannot solve this matter in Nyamira, then this House is as good as useless. I support."},{"id":1564360,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564360/?format=json","text_counter":187,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Cheruiyot","speaker_title":"The Senate Majority Leader","speaker":{"id":13165,"legal_name":"Aaron Kipkirui Cheruiyot","slug":"aaron-cheruiyot"},"content":" Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a very sad affair."},{"id":1564361,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1564361/?format=json","text_counter":188,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Abass","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":13587,"legal_name":"Abass Sheikh Mohamed","slug":"abass-sheikh"},"content":"On a point of information, Mr. Speaker, Sir."}]}