{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=156934","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=156932","results":[{"id":1587522,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587522/?format=json","text_counter":604,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":null,"content":" There is a question for the Chairman."},{"id":1587523,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587523/?format=json","text_counter":605,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Samburu West, KANU","speaker_title":"Hon. Naisula Lesuuda","speaker":null,"content":" The Chairman needs to follow along as I ask my question. What happens to those who already have a flow metre? We are introducing stamps. Will they use stamps or also incorporate the flow metre? It is important to know. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."},{"id":1587524,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587524/?format=json","text_counter":606,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Chairman, before you answer, Hon. Ichung’wah has asked if there is a way to get cheaper flow metres. Kenyans are innovative. Can that be innovated? Answer that so that we make progress."},{"id":1587525,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587525/?format=json","text_counter":607,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kuria Kimani (","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Molo, UDA): Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I share all the sentiments that have been raised on the Floor of the House, including those raised by my senior, the Leader of the Majority Party. New Clause 41A(2B) provides that the production volume of such a licensed micro- distiller shall be ascertained and monitored through the use of excise stamps. The use of excisable stamps is not optional. The micro-distillers must use them. We are only exempting the new micro-distillers who are not ready. The micro-distillers already in the market must continue with the flow metres. We do not require them to have that particular flow metre because, as we had explained, the cost of building a micro-distillery is around Ksh10 million to Ksh15 million. That is the entire capital investment to create a micro-distillery. You are telling a cottage industry that has already invested Ksh15 million to set up an entire plant that they need to get another Ksh25 million just to have a flow metre. However, we must also be alive to the issue of abuse with regard to the flow metre. Therefore, one of the recommendations we will be making in our report to the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) is that where micro-distillers are not required to have a flow metre, the use of ethanol needs to be verified by the use of technology such as closed-circuit television (CCTV) cameras. The essence of a flowmeters, with passing this law with addition of methanol and ethanol, it means the two products are now controlled. These will show that company X received 1,000 litres of ethanol. What amount of liquor did the company make from the1,000 litres of ethanol? This will verify that the ethanol was actually used for the supposed purpose and was not leaked into the market as illicit liquor. We will find a way of communicating with the Kenyan Revenue Authority (KRA) and requiring these entities to provide evidence in a way that KRA and other security agencies can verify that ethanol is used for the purposes it is acquired. That is the essence of flowmeters. Lastly, on innovation, this is a business opportunity to any Kenyan who is listening to this conversation. A flowmeter cannot be costing Ksh25 million. It means there could be some monopolies in that sector. They exaggerate prices to maximise returns. It would be best for the country if we have cheaper alternatives."},{"id":1587526,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587526/?format=json","text_counter":608,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Loud consultations)"},{"id":1587527,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587527/?format=json","text_counter":609,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":null,"content":" Order, Hon. Members. We will have to make progress. There is a chance for you to contribute in the next phase of this."},{"id":1587528,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587528/?format=json","text_counter":610,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, put and agreed to)"},{"id":1587529,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587529/?format=json","text_counter":611,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Thuku, quickly."},{"id":1587530,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587530/?format=json","text_counter":612,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kinangop, JP","speaker_title":"Hon. Kwenya Thuku","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you. A pertinent question that has been asked on the same issue. Who is the merchant of these flow metres? Are there no cheaper flow metres for the same? Again, we have been using stamp duties. Why are we moving? Is it that we cannot enhance that technology as opposed to this kind of investment that is being proposed? Honestly."},{"id":1587531,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587531/?format=json","text_counter":613,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":null,"content":" What is proposed?"}]}