{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=156954","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=156952","results":[{"id":1587722,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587722/?format=json","text_counter":804,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kesses, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Julius Rutto","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I want to liken this particular discussion with a traditional farmer who uses oxen to plough. Most of the time, when a farmer uses oxen to plough, he uses the produce to feed the oxen to give back energy. What we are saying is that KRA is an entity tasked to mobilise and collect resources to finance our budget. Because of the dynamic nature of systems and technology in the world, they are always found on without the ability to adjust and ensure that they on-board technology to enhance their collection and effectiveness. What is the loss in allocating 2 per cent of the money to KRA?"},{"id":1587723,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587723/?format=json","text_counter":805,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairperson","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you. Hon. Lesuuda."},{"id":1587724,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587724/?format=json","text_counter":806,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Samburu West, KANU","speaker_title":"Hon. Naisula Lesuuda","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Having listened to the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."},{"id":1587725,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587725/?format=json","text_counter":807,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Samburu West, KANU","speaker_title":"Hon. Naisula Lesuuda","speaker":null,"content":"National Planning, I am convinced it is not a fund. It is for a specific use. My question is: Will you digitise indefinitely? Does this thing have a time frame? Given the amount involved, we need to know the exact figure. Hon. Kaluma should declare his interest here as he walks around. We need to know how much that 10 per cent constitutes, because when you appear before the Budget and Appropriation Committee, you should explain what the funds are required for and how they will be utilised. Will this Fund operate into eternity? It must have a clear timeline. After digitisation is complete, the collection of funds must cease."},{"id":1587726,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587726/?format=json","text_counter":808,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":null,"content":" As the Chairman gets his answer, Hon. Thuku."},{"id":1587727,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587727/?format=json","text_counter":809,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Kinangop, JP","speaker_title":"Hon. Kwenya Thuku","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. This is a very pertinent issue raised by Members. When dealing with ring-fenced expenditure for clearly defined items such as digitisation or our international obligations, these are costs that can be quantified. As such, there should be no need for ring-fencing. The KRA should simply appear before the Budget and Appropriation Committee, state the amount they require, and have it appropriated by this House in the normal manner."},{"id":1587728,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587728/?format=json","text_counter":810,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you. Member for Dagoretti North."},{"id":1587729,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587729/?format=json","text_counter":811,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Dagoretti North, ODM","speaker_title":"Hon. Beatrice Elachi","speaker":null,"content":" Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. It is not that we are being hard on the Chairman. However, when you have funds being ring-fenced for the African Union, when this House could instead create a single vote item for all international organisations, it becomes questionable. We have institutions such as the East African Legislative Assembly (EALA). Why prioritise AU and leave out EALA? These are all multilateral organisations. This implies that EALA has a vote, yet the African Union, by extension, should not even fall under this portfolio. It should be under the Ministry of Foreign and Diaspora Affairs. Honestly, this is how we budget ourselves into crisis."},{"id":1587730,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587730/?format=json","text_counter":812,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. David Ochieng’","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairman","speaker":null,"content":" Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning."},{"id":1587731,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1587731/?format=json","text_counter":813,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Molo, UDA","speaker_title":"Hon. Kuria Kimani","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Temporary Chairman, this is the beauty of our democracy; engaging in such robust and constructive debate. I understand where the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriation Committee is coming from."}]}