{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=157098","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=157096","results":[{"id":1589162,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589162/?format=json","text_counter":203,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mandago","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"I am lost."},{"id":1589163,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589163/?format=json","text_counter":204,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" The Senator for Nairobi City County, you may use that information, if need be."},{"id":1589164,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589164/?format=json","text_counter":205,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Sifuna","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"The beauty with our proceedings unlike the ones in Isiolo County Assembly is that we are live on TV, the HANSARD is here and it can be read back. He said it was not possible, the circumstances obtaining on that day."},{"id":1589165,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589165/?format=json","text_counter":206,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Hon. Senators, once you get an opportunity to debate this Motion, remember we are debating on whether there was a sitting. The Motion on the court orders shall come next depending on the outcome of this Motion. Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Murango."},{"id":1589166,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589166/?format=json","text_counter":207,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. (Dr.) Murango","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Asante, Bw. Spika, kwa kunipa hii nafasi. Hapo awali kabla sijakuwa Seneta, nilikuwa mwakilishi wadi katika Gatuzi ya Kirinyaga. Zaidi, nilikuwa Kiongozi wa Wengi. Wakati huo huo, tuling’atua gavana, tukamleta hapa na akarudi, na ni sawa, bado pia yuko. Kuna umuhimu kwa kikao cha bunge la gatuzi kukaa mahali ambapo panajulikana na pamewekwa kwa gazeti la Serikali. Ninakumbuka wakati huo, vichwa vyetu vilikuwa vinatakikana lakini, sisi zote tuliokuwa tumeamini na kuamua ni lazima gavana aende, tulilala katika Bunge la Gatuzi la Kirinyaga ili kuhakikisha tumefanya kazi yetu. Ni kwa nini? Ili kufuata sheria na kanuni zilizowekwa. Kwa hivyo, uhitaji wetu kama Seneti ni kufanya jambo lililo halali na sheria. Chumvi haina maana kwa mtu anayekunywa chai. Vile vile, sukari haina maana kwa mtu anayekunywa supu. Sisi tutakuwa hatuna maana kama tutafanya uamuzi ambao unakizana na sheria za nchi hii."},{"id":1589167,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589167/?format=json","text_counter":208,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Maanzo."},{"id":1589168,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589168/?format=json","text_counter":209,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Maanzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to contribute to this Motion. We have sworn to uphold the law and every process which goes on in the county assemblies, in this Senate or in any House has to follow the law. In the case of Kenya, it has to be the Constitution of Kenya and the Acts of Parliament dealing with that matter. Anything outside that becomes a different scenario and the law has to apply as it is decided. The issue of an impeachment of a governor is a serious matter and has very serious consequences. Therefore, the law must be followed to the letter, so that an assembly does not get involved in an exercise in futility. This House should also not get involved in an exercise in futility. The moment we make a decision; the governor can go to a court to seek further justice. Even an assembly can also go to a court to seek further justice if we never followed the process. Therefore, it is important that we adhere to the process. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1589169,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589169/?format=json","text_counter":210,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Maanzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"This is a matter of a vote. We will vote according to our conviction and a decision will be carried one way or another. It is a vote and the law recognizes that vote, whichever way it goes. It has serious consequences and, therefore, it has to be fair. The best way to make sure that the decision is fair is the adherence of the Constitution, the relevant statutes and the procedures laid in our Standing Orders so that justice is accorded to all the parties involved. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I look forward to this vote. This debate is important as it guides the House. The whole country is following what this House is doing because it takes the Senate seriously as the place where we all sit as judges and pass judgment in one way or another. The judgment has to be fair and in accordance with the law. I support the Motion and I will be voting."},{"id":1589170,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589170/?format=json","text_counter":211,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Mungatana."},{"id":1589171,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589171/?format=json","text_counter":212,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mungatana, MGH","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, every time we come to this House, the Senate Business Committee (SBC) must have sat down, balloted the Motions, prepared which Motions are significant or prioritized and then an Order Paper is prepared. When that Order Paper is prepared and it has a Motion, the notice of Motion will be moved like we did today. Once that notice is given, then there will be debate. There is no question about that. When we say that a meeting or a debate took place, I expected that there would be minutes of the House Business Committee of the County Assembly of Isiolo. I expected that there would be evidence of a notice of Motion or at least one referring that there was a notice of Motion on that day. Nothing has been even mentioned in passing. Let us not disregard the processes we have known, the way we have done things in these Houses and it cannot be different for Isiolo County Assembly. It is the same here in this House and the National Assembly. Let us not debate this matter. Let us agree there was no meeting that took place on 18th June. If there was something else, they would have given us those audio or video clips. They did not even talk about that. I wonder why we are even discussing this matter because it is clear that there was no meeting, even without going to the issue of the court orders. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to disabuse my colleagues of the idea that we are being unfair. No, we are not being unfair and we are not denying anyone justice. Somebody, in the argument, tried to move the idea that we are denying someone justice. What do you mean? When we are moving Petitions in this House, one of the things that you swear to is that matter that is in the Petition - under Standing Order No.235, if I am not wrong - you are swearing that there is no matter pending before court. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I remember very well when our chairperson was Hon. Wamatinga, we went to Uyombo, where there was a nuclear plant that was being proposed to be built. It was a Petition of the honourable distinguished Sen. Okiya Omtatah. When we went there, one of the things we asked the people was if they had taken that matter to court. They said they have---"}]}