{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=157116","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=157114","results":[{"id":1589342,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589342/?format=json","text_counter":383,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Loud consultaions)"},{"id":1589343,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589343/?format=json","text_counter":384,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Order, hon. Senators. Kindly hear Hon. Veronica in silence."},{"id":1589344,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589344/?format=json","text_counter":385,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Veronica Maina","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"We have been presented with video evidence, which was not fully backed with a certificate and, unfortunately, it came before the time when evidence should be adduced in these impeachment proceedings. Looking at the procedure that is supposed to be adopted, this House in discharging its mandate to conduct impeachment proceedings is bound by Article 181 of the Constitution, Section 33 of the County Governments Act. It is also bound by the Standing Orders from the respective Houses, both the County Assembly of Isiolo and Schedule Three of the Senate Standing Orders. Unfortunately, unless there is full compliance with the process and the procedure that is laid down in all the Acts of Parliament that are supposed to be read as these impeachment proceedings are done, then it will not meet the basic threshold that is supposed to be ticked as having been fully complied with. When I looked at the video, I only saw a room or an office, which had broken computers and broken items, and which looked like what we saw yesterday during maandamano in Kenya. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I must say it is very unfortunate that in the County Assembly of Isiolo, business was conducted on that day and what ended up may have been the vandalizing of the HANSARD. We, therefore, do not have the advantage of seeing what The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1589345,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589345/?format=json","text_counter":386,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Veronica Maina","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"happened in the County Assembly and in place of the HANSARD and in place of using technology, which is supposed to ease the evidence that should be adduced before this House, we instead have explanations and pictures that do not even show the County Assembly. In actual fact, that video did not display any House sitting. Conclusively, without looking at any other documents, if that is the basis on which we should determine whether there was a sitting or not, those videos do not show any sitting."},{"id":1589346,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589346/?format=json","text_counter":387,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Crystal Asige."},{"id":1589347,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589347/?format=json","text_counter":388,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Crystal Asige","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have been sitting here and I have only one question. Are we here to prosecute a Motion or are we here to prosecute emotion? In this preliminary stage, I have heard both and inevitably in any impeachment hearing, both will be baked into the process; but here we are being asked to determine between two truths. One truth from the Governor’s side; which is that there was no sitting. That is his truth. The other is from the County Assembly side, which is that there was a Sitting, and that is their truth. However, I believe in everything, there is always three sides to every story. Contrary to what I have heard from other Members, I actually believe that there was a sitting. I just do not, at this preliminary stage, feel convinced by the County Assembly side that it was a valid sitting. Unfortunately, that is the conclusion that I have come to at this stage. Therefore, if we are to proceed, we must proceed, as everyone has said, in one way or the other, by the rule of law. If that threshold to convince or persuade this House, or majority at least of this House, that there was a valid sitting that took place, and therefore we should proceed into full trial, then I am afraid we might have to, unfortunately, for the County Assembly, because I also believe that they must have a case that they strongly believe in and have put effort to bring to this House. However, in this case, I would encourage them to go back, bring something that is procedural and correct, and dot all of their i's and cross all of their t's before coming back to the House, and we will listen to them with the rule of law in our hand. I thank you."},{"id":1589348,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589348/?format=json","text_counter":389,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Mandago, please proceed."},{"id":1589349,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589349/?format=json","text_counter":390,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mandago","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. First, I rise to oppose this Motion, that we should not terminate these proceedings at these preliminary stages, because there is evidence that there was a sitting, as per what has been adduced by the County Assembly. The Governor of Isiolo County was impeached by 16 Members of the County Assembly out of 18. That is a record of over 95 per cent attendance of impeachment. I would, however, like my colleagues to reflect on the roles of Parliament, and the powers of this House. Under Article 125, this House has the power to summon appearance and evidence. That is why we are here today. In exercising that authority, the Senate and Parliament is acting to the level of a Judiciary. If you look at the judicial authority under Article 159, there is no reason absolutely as to why at this stage, we should terminate the proceedings on technicalities. Mr. Speaker, Sir, in Article 159(1) states- The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1589350,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589350/?format=json","text_counter":391,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Mandago","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"“Judicial authority is derived from the people and vests in, and shall be exercised by, the courts and tribunals established by or under this Constitution.” If you read Section D, it says- “Justice shall be administered without undue regard to procedural technicalities.” Therefore, we should allow this process to go to its logical conclusion. At this stage, we are not saying that the Governor for sure is guilty of the grounds that have been said, but we would want to listen to what the County Assembly has given. I would like to also tell my friend, the Senator for Kakamega County, Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale, a non-practicing gynaecologist, that when a mother is due to deliver, and there is no delivery coach, you cannot ask that the baby goes back. You just deliver as is. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Motion of impeachment has started. We must proceed with it as is, so that we can help the people of Isiolo County realize what they have said, considering that there has been substantive public participation---"},{"id":1589351,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589351/?format=json","text_counter":392,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Methu, please proceed."}]}