{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=157117","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=157115","results":[{"id":1589352,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589352/?format=json","text_counter":393,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Methu","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Senate cannot be reduced to a theatre of absurdity. The question before us in this Motion is not merely a procedural question; it is a deep constitutional question that must be answered. Mr. Speaker, Sir, just imagine if you were to carry this precedent and allow this Motion to go to full hearing. What stops a Speaker of another County Assembly from conveying a Message to you, even without any writing? What would stop them? We have been told by the Senate Majority Leader, who has been very sensational here when he was speaking, that we want to keep this Motion at this level. That is actually not true. I disagree with the Senate Majority Leader. If the Members of the County Assembly have numbers, let them go back, bring a good Motion, and we shall prosecute it. The Senate has not said that we are not ready to prosecute this particular Motion. The Senator from Mombasa County has also alluded that we should deal with this Motion. That, if Governor Guyo is impeached, he can go to court. The prescription that the Senator from Mombasa County has given is, let us take poison, and then we can take milk later. That shall not happen and we cannot do it. We cannot take poison, as we are seeing. This Motion is defective. There was no sitting by the County Assembly and, therefore, there is no recourse to it. I would want to say, while being careful with the words that I will use, so that I am not disrupted by many people who want to disrupt us as we are speaking here--- I do not like the leadership style of President William Ruto, but the Constitution does not give me a recourse. The Constitution does not allow me to, and has no room for my feelings. It does not have any room for what I feel about his leadership. The Constitution allows me to only wait until 2027, painfully. So, Mr. Speaker, Sir, even for the Members of the County Assembly, theirs is not a long wait, as mine and Sen. Wambua. Theirs is just going back. In fact, in my opinion, if they were to just go back to the County Assembly and process this Motion as it is supposed to be, we cannot say that this Motion has been lost, so they have to wait for six months because there was no Motion and sitting, anyway. They can sit tomorrow, process The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1589353,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589353/?format=json","text_counter":394,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Methu","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"this Motion, and bring it here and convey a Message to you on Thursday. We shall be here. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I woke up very early. You can see how I needed to take care of my hair. You can see that I was ready to prosecute the business of Isiolo County. So, we shall be here and available. Even if you call us on a Sunday or Monday, we shall be here, so that we give justice to the people of Isiolo County, including the Governor, who is also a son of the County---"},{"id":1589354,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589354/?format=json","text_counter":395,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Hezena, please proceed."},{"id":1589355,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589355/?format=json","text_counter":396,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Lemaletian","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I believe the Members of the County Assembly (MCAs) deserved a fair hearing because they represent the people at the grassroots. That means, their voice is powerful and it matters. Since most of them are young people, I will stand with them. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are a House of rules and procedures. While I am not a lawyer, I know that laws were formulated, or rather the history of law was for purposes of balancing situations of too much cruelty and mercy. I know that there is no limit to how many counts we need to impeach a governor. One count is enough to impeach a governor. I was very eager to impeach him, given the fact that he had made very derogatory remarks against women, and on so many instances, he has rubbed shoulders very badly with various committees of the Senate, and most importantly, because I want our northern counties, which have been marginalized for so many years, to be examples of counties that can have true leadership to liberate our people from marginalization. Mr. Speaker, Sir, however, as a House of rules and procedures, there have been questions as to how the MCAs have approached this impeachment. I know that it pokes a lot of questions as to how the Senate has been handling this issue. That means, we need to do a lot of amendments. Firstly, on at what level the Senate decides that this is a matter that can now come to the floor of the Senate, and henceforth demand attention of the Senators. I do not know whether that is a failure on the Clerk or our legal team. Secondly, we also need to amend the time-frame that we need between one impeachment and another, so that issues that were burning the MCAs of Isiolo County Assembly can be addressed in a just manner. With those remarks, I support."},{"id":1589356,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589356/?format=json","text_counter":397,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Next is Sen. Peris Tobiko."},{"id":1589357,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589357/?format=json","text_counter":398,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Tobiko","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I would like to join my colleagues to reiterate the fact that we would have wanted to listen to the substantive Impeachment Motion. However, the County Assembly has not sufficiently demonstrated to this House that there was a sitting. Even when counsels for the County Assembly were given a chance to give evidence in terms of video clips, they did not take that opportunity to show us the sittings that took place at the Assembly. What they did was to show some place looking like an office, which definitely had been ramshackled in a way. It did not look like a chamber because there were no Members. Therefore, there was no way for this House to tell whether there were sittings or not. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."},{"id":1589358,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589358/?format=json","text_counter":399,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Tobiko","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have heard a lot about Isiolo County and we were eager to go through the rigours of this impeachment proposal. As it is, this is a House of rules and procedures, but procedures and processes have not been followed. We have no choice other than to send back the County Assembly to follow the law. We did not want to bring our biases into this case. If it were, maybe we would have gone the direction that Sen. Hezena proposed because female Senators in this House had a bone to pick with the Governor. The way it is, it has failed at least the initial test for us to proceed to full hearing. Mr. Speaker, Sir, to cut the long story short, it has not been proven that there was a sitting and there is no way we can proceed if there was no sitting. I thank you."},{"id":1589359,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589359/?format=json","text_counter":400,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Proceed, Sen. Joseph Githuku Kamau."},{"id":1589360,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589360/?format=json","text_counter":401,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Githuku","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank you for giving me this opportunity to also add my voice on this very important matter. We are here to interrogate whether the County Assembly of Isiolo really sat to deliberate on issues of impeachment of the Governor. I had an opportunity of listening to the counsel for the County Assembly of Isiolo. I can confirm that the counsels were really struggling to convince this House, that indeed the County Assembly of Isiolo sat to deliberate on issues of impeachment of the Governor. Mr. Speaker, Sir, Article 96(1) of the Constitution of Kenya provides that this Senate is mandated to take care of counties and their governments. When we retreat to have deliberations on whether this Motion should continue or not, I urge this House to do the right thing and set a good precedent, so that we are not judged wrongly by generations to come. With that, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support this Motion."},{"id":1589361,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1589361/?format=json","text_counter":402,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Hon. Kingi","speaker_title":"The Speaker","speaker":null,"content":" Proceed, Sen. Tabitha Keroche."}]}