{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=157257","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=157255","results":[{"id":1590752,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1590752/?format=json","text_counter":241,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Question of the amendment proposed)"},{"id":1590753,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1590753/?format=json","text_counter":242,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Abdul Haji","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairperson","speaker":null,"content":" Sen. Cherarkey."},{"id":1590754,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1590754/?format=json","text_counter":243,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Sen. Cheruiyot consulted loudly)"},{"id":1590755,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1590755/?format=json","text_counter":244,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Cherarkey","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Temporary Chairperson, I do not know why the Senate Majority Leader wants to disrupt the House. I am happy that my learned senior counsel, Sen. Okong’o Omogeni, is here. We have just said we do not know who our relatives are. This amendment is being done by the World Bank and other foreign entities, which do not understand the African culture. Mr. Temporary Chairperson, I know a number of your cousins where you come from. They are thousands, although in our culture, you do not say the definite number. This issue of bringing wazungu culture, who get only two children or rear only one dog--- We need to be fair. In fact, the writer of some book, whom I have forgotten--- I only have one teacher, whom I recognise as Sen. (Prof) Tom Odhiambo Ojienda, SC. The importation of the law was even a proposal to Africanise. This law that has been brought here does not recognize the culture and our way of life. Two, you do not know your cousins. The last time you met them has been ages and ages. Then it says: “where a public officer has acknowledge that your relative or a family member has received.” So, every evening, you will be going and asking your spouse: “Did you receive a gift or a favour today?” Will you be calling your relatives in Migori like Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda or in Kitui, or Nyamira? This amendment is made in bad faith and it negates anything about our African culture and even religion. We oppose it with all our body organs because this thing is not fair. We are not saying corruption should not be fought. We should fight corruption. Why should you deny my relatives to live their life simply because I am a State officer? If I have a child - which I do not, for the record - who is above 18 years, they are paying taxes. Why do you want to stifle them?"},{"id":1590756,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1590756/?format=json","text_counter":245,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Cherarkey","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only.A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services,Senate."},{"id":1590757,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1590757/?format=json","text_counter":246,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Cherarkey","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"I do not know whether the children of Sen. Wakili Sigei have reached the age of 18 years, but I doubt. They are paying taxes, why would you want to stifle their lives or to align their lives to be in line with the life of the State officer? Even the President's, Vice-President’s, Senators and the governor's spouses, children and relatives have a right to live in this country and do their business, including your children, Mr. Temporary Chairperson. This thing is undermining not only the African Culture, but even the religion and our way of life. I totally oppose it."},{"id":1590758,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1590758/?format=json","text_counter":247,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Osotsi","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, this is another amendment that is very annoying. I think this is the House that is going to help Kenyans, because if you look at Article 115 of the Constitution, where the referral was based, it talks about two-thirds. We can easily raise two-thirds here. The other House will have difficulties raising the two- thirds, but us, we can raise two-thirds and reject even these referrals that have been made by the President. In fact, the referrals contain amendments, which are even worse than the initial amendments that were there. I want to urge the House that before we even vote for this, can we get our two-thirds Members here? We can get two-thirds in this House, so that we reject these referrals and if possible, delete all the clauses from this Bill."},{"id":1590759,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1590759/?format=json","text_counter":248,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Abdul Haji","speaker_title":"The Temporary Chairperson","speaker":null,"content":" Senators, please, stick to your reservations on the amendment. Let us not deviate and start debating. I already reminded Senators that we are not debating and be brief. Sen. Omogeni, please, proceed."},{"id":1590760,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1590760/?format=json","text_counter":249,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Omogeni","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"I think this is a very good clause. If I understand it well, it is saying we should not peddle influence. For example, Sen. Cherarkey may not have children, but there are leaders in this country who have children. What this clause is saying is that we do not want anybody to send gifts to the children of the President, the Deputy President, a Senator or a Member of the National Assembly. We want discipline. We do not want them to receive gifts, because they come to Harambees and say they were given a gift to bring to a Harambee. We want to bring that to a stop. So this one, let it stay. If you are a child of the President, Deputy President, Governor, Senator, Chief Executive Officers (CEOs), you should not receive any gifts. I am saying this so that even the children of the President take note that the Senate is passing a Bill that will prevent them from receiving gifts from anybody else on behalf or using the influence of the father or the mother. This one I am okay with it, but we start from the top. We start from the doorstep of the President, then come to the doorstep of the Deputy President, then go to the Governor, go to the Senator, go to the Women Representative, go to the Member of National Assembly, then we go to CEOs; everybody. Once this law is passed, let us all be now equal. No receiving gifts. I support."},{"id":1590761,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1590761/?format=json","text_counter":250,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Sen. Wambua","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, we should also not pass laws in vain. This is one instance where we are trying to pass a piece of legislation clearly just in vain."}]}