{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=268","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=266","results":[{"id":2661,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/2661/?format=json","text_counter":352,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Mungatana","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":185,"legal_name":"Danson Buya Mungatana","slug":"danson-mungatana"},"content":"Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am surprised at hon. C. Kilonzo. We have been here for two terms now. It is wrong for him to simplify the issues I have raised here to having two meals and others not having a meal. The doctors’ strike is about death in our hospitals. That is not one meal or two meals! It is not a simple issue. Please, go to your arguments and do not try to make this a simple matter."},{"id":2662,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/2662/?format=json","text_counter":353,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. C. Kilonzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":46,"legal_name":"Charles Mutavi Kilonzo","slug":"charles-kilonzo"},"content":"Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am sure he is not the Speaker and that is not a point of order."},{"id":2663,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/2663/?format=json","text_counter":354,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. C. Kilonzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":46,"legal_name":"Charles Mutavi Kilonzo","slug":"charles-kilonzo"},"content":"Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the fact that you do not have enough water in your house does not mean you do not rush with the little water you have to help at a neighbour’s house, which is on fire. Africa lived under an organization which was called the Organization of African Unity (OAU), which observed the principle of non- interference in the internal affairs of another country. In a sense they said “hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.” If AU had come into being much earlier, the problem of Somalia would have been solved some years ago."},{"id":2664,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/2664/?format=json","text_counter":355,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. C. Kilonzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":46,"legal_name":"Charles Mutavi Kilonzo","slug":"charles-kilonzo"},"content":"Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when we have smaller nations with limited or meagre resources like Burundi and Uganda saying “We cannot sit back; let us do something about it,” it will be selfish of us, as Kenyans, to say we must solve all our problems before we think about a neighbour. In any case, we are already in Southern Sudan; why is it that nobody is complaining that we are funding the Southern Sudan Government and giving technical assistance? Why is it that when it comes to Somalia, we say “No, no, no; Somalis are not human beings. We should not fund them?”"},{"id":2665,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/2665/?format=json","text_counter":356,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Applause)"},{"id":2666,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/2666/?format=json","text_counter":357,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. C. Kilonzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":46,"legal_name":"Charles Mutavi Kilonzo","slug":"charles-kilonzo"},"content":"If we are funding Southern Sudan, then we have a duty to fund Somalia. We are not only talking about military intervention, we are talking about Kenya lobbying the international community to fund the problem in Somalia. Mr. Speaker, Sir, in supporting this Motion, I have three reasons as to why we need to convert our operation there into an African Union affair. Firstly, we must give assurance to the Transitional Federal Government in Mogadishu that we do not have any hidden agenda like trying to create Azania or Juba Land state. Secondly, we must not talk about creating a buffer zone. The idea of creating a buffer zone is another way of talking about creating another state within Somalia. Thirdly, we must be a team player. We must not go into Somalia alone. Before 19th December, 2011, the African Union (AU) is going to petition the United Nations (UN). I am sure that they will be going to look for funds. We cannot afford to remain in Somalia as Kenya. We must bring on board other team players as well. If we achieve peace in the Somalia, we will easily move the 500,000 refugees who are in Kenya into Somalia. The Somali people would rather be Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) rather than refugees. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, somebody said that you do not have to fight to be a man but when you are a man, sometimes you must fight. A time has come for Kenya to rise to the occasion and to the challenges and show leadership in Africa. We cannot be a leader but when it comes to assisting people solve their problem, we say: “No, we cannot assist you. Let us, first, complete solving our problems.” When we had the post-election violence in 2007/2008, everybody in the world stopped what they were doing and came to assist us. This is pay-back time for Kenya. We must pay back by going into Somalia---"},{"id":2667,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/2667/?format=json","text_counter":358,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Mungatana","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":185,"legal_name":"Danson Buya Mungatana","slug":"danson-mungatana"},"content":"--- (off record)"},{"id":2668,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/2668/?format=json","text_counter":359,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Deputy Speaker","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"Order, hon. Mungatana! There is only one person who is supposed to speak for now. Proceed, hon. C. Kilonzo!"},{"id":2669,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/2669/?format=json","text_counter":360,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. C. Kilonzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":46,"legal_name":"Charles Mutavi Kilonzo","slug":"charles-kilonzo"},"content":"Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is said “I may not like what you are saying but I will defend your right to say that which I do not like”. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in conclusion, it is better late than never. We should have gone into Somalia ten years ago, on a humanitarian basis, in the first place. Humanitarian aid from Kenya should have been in Somalia for the last ten years; it has not been there. We have gone there militarily. Let us now back our military operation with humanitarian aid. With those remarks, I beg to support."},{"id":2670,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/2670/?format=json","text_counter":361,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Yinda","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":154,"legal_name":"Edwin Ochieng Yinda","slug":"edwin-yinda"},"content":"Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would also like to join my colleagues in supporting this Motion. I would say straightaway that our National Defence Forces are already doing a very good job in Somalia. We are now asking our security forces to join the AMISOM, so that they can become a peace-keeping force in Somalia. As hon. C. Kilonzo said, this is something which we should have done more than 10 years ago. Somalia is a natural neighbour to Kenya. Any problem in Somalia affects Kenya. We cannot take lightly the support or the contribution that Somalia has made to the Kenyan economy. Most of the economy in Eastleigh comes from Somalia, and, as a country, we cannot ignore that fact. Therefore, the Minister’s request to this House is very noble and we should wholeheartedly support the Motion. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if piracy in the Indian Ocean continues, shipping will be affected badly. Even our Port of Mombasa and the proposed Port of Lamu will be nothing. As we talk now, the cost of shipping is already too high because of the insecurity in Somalia. The only way we can contribute in a snall way is to send our soldiers, who are very capable and disciplined, to join the other African men and women who are keeping peace in Somalia. At the moment, we are busy talking about just our military forces going to Somalia but military forces without equipment are not forces at all. At the moment, our military forces need a lot more equipment than what they have. Our navy, for example, is not as well equipped as they should be to be able to discharge the responsibility of monitoring law and order in the Indian Ocean or in the coastal waters near our country. It would, therefore, be prudent for this House to look into the future, especially when our Minister in charge of defence brings his Budget to this House. It is up to this House to ensure that our military have the resources they need to build up the equipment that will enable them to defend this country. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when you move forces into a foreign country, as we will be moving our forces into Somalia, you need to transport them. The Minister will agree with me that at the moment we do not have sufficient transport aeroplanes to even take our forces to the war front. Why am I saying this? It is costly to do these things, but in normal circumstances, if, for example, the United Nations will be involved in this mission, they will reimburse the country for the expenditures we will incur on movement of military personnel. Therefore, even as we build up our equipment, it is also an investment worth supporting. For now, I would like to join my other colleagues in supporting this Motion wholeheartedly to enable our security forces to go into Somalia. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir."}]}